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« on: August 18, 2009, 04:21:54 pm » |
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This was suggested by Yare in my forum blog.
Let's use this forum to flesh out this idea as a proposal:
1) Once a year, Wizards selects an American location to hold an Eternal Weekend.
2) The Eternal Weekend be similar in size to a regionals or a city championships or a large scale PTQ. It would NOT be a Grand Prix.
3) The weekend would have one day Legacy and one day of Vintage. It would be an opportunity to support these forums.
4) The weekend would be in a different location every year and announced every year.
5) The prizes could be: a) cash prizes similar to what SCG does for their $5K, b) include a Pro Tour Invite US Nationals Invite to the winner of each tournament, and c) anything else they'd like to throw in.
6) The event should be held in the Spring of each year so its not even close to Gencon and would not interfere with Gencon efforts. Perhaps a month or so before Regionals.
This would be a way for Wizards to support Eternal formats more. I think the only way we could get this to fly is if we get the Legacy people behind it as well.
What do you think?
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2009, 04:25:43 pm » |
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b) include a Pro Tour Invite to the winner of each tournament
THIS will drive attendance, and more importantly encourage younger competitive players to become interested in eternal formats. |
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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2009, 04:40:02 pm » |
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I'm all for additional support for Vintage, and would make every effort to attend such an event. It would NOT be a Grand Prix.
Why shouldn't it be a GP? Or why wouldn't it? I can see a split format GP being a problem (3 rounds legacy, 3 rounds vintage, 3 rounds legacy = alot of resleeving). However a day one Legacy event, day two Vintage event would work. Is there a problem with timing (judging from GP:Chicago the Legacy portion might not finish in just a day)? Making it a GP would attract more Pros (I would think) which should raise the event's profile among non-Vintage regulars. I'm not sure I understand exactly what would distinguish an Eternal Weekend from a PTQ or GP. |
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Vintage is a lovely format, it's too bad so few people can play because the supply of power is so small.
Chess really changed when they decided to stop making Queens and Bishops. I'm just glad I got my copies before the prices went crazy.
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2009, 04:42:16 pm » |
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Wizards would never go for a Vintage Grand Prix simply because of card accessibility concerns.
That is off the table, not even up for discussion.
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2009, 05:06:13 pm » |
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Wizards would never go for a Vintage Grand Prix simply because of card accessibility concerns.
That is off the table, not even up for discussion.
Well that's unfortunate. In any case: 2 WOTC supported Vintage events a year >>> 1 WOTC supported Vintage event per year. |
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Vintage is a lovely format, it's too bad so few people can play because the supply of power is so small.
Chess really changed when they decided to stop making Queens and Bishops. I'm just glad I got my copies before the prices went crazy.
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2009, 05:06:37 pm » |
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I don't know much about anything beyond Vintage, so excuse my ignorance if this is blatantly wrong. Would it be possible to have a Legacy GP one day then the Vintage non-GP event the next day? Or are GP's typically more than one day?
My big concern is avoiding an overlap where the helper event destroys the attendance at the Vintage event.
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2009, 08:40:49 pm » |
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GPs are always more than 1 day, unfortunately.
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2009, 09:26:38 pm » |
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GPs are always more than 1 day, unfortunately.
Ok, well GPs are out then, like Steve said. Thanks for the clarification. |
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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2009, 11:19:09 am » |
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Depending one the way you decide to run it, Legacy spilling unto Day 2 could be completely reasonable.
These numbers may be a bit off but IIRC only about 15% of the players Day One qualify for Day Two, if you were to run it similar to a GP.
For Pro Tours, that number is probably closer to 40%, but those are also THREE day events.
The "Legacy GP, Vintage Non-GP" idea isn't completely unfeasible, in that there were Vintage side events at GP Chicago. They just weren't highly advertised and weren't run by WotC (and I'm not even sure if they were sanctioned). All those things can be remedied though.
That said, I still think that it would be cooler to have a "Eternal Weekend."
You're going to have to accept the fact that this would primarily be a Legacy event, and it should even be marketed as such to drive the greatest possible number of players. As such, the Vintage portion would almost act more as a "side event" on the second day. Certainly, if the incentive is high enough, some players will travel <i>just</i> for the Vintage, but if you want to get a high attendance for Vintage, you need to be able to get the Legacy players, Pros, and semi-pros that are there for Legacy to think, 'I'm here anyway. Might as well try out Vintage."
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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2009, 06:14:26 pm » |
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Depending one the way you decide to run it, Legacy spilling unto Day 2 could be completely reasonable.
These numbers may be a bit off but IIRC only about 15% of the players Day One qualify for Day Two, if you were to run it similar to a GP.
For Pro Tours, that number is probably closer to 40%, but those are also THREE day events.
The "Legacy GP, Vintage Non-GP" idea isn't completely unfeasible, in that there were Vintage side events at GP Chicago. They just weren't highly advertised and weren't run by WotC (and I'm not even sure if they were sanctioned). All those things can be remedied though.
That said, I still think that it would be cooler to have a "Eternal Weekend."
You're going to have to accept the fact that this would primarily be a Legacy event, and it should even be marketed as such to drive the greatest possible number of players. As such, the Vintage portion would almost act more as a "side event" on the second day. Certainly, if the incentive is high enough, some players will travel <i>just</i> for the Vintage, but if you want to get a high attendance for Vintage, you need to be able to get the Legacy players, Pros, and semi-pros that are there for Legacy to think, 'I'm here anyway. Might as well try out Vintage."
I agree with this. Why not have the "eternal weekend" be a guaranteed Legacy Grand Prix each year with a great Vintage event on Sunday or Friday? For Wizards part, we would ask that the Vintage tournament be sactioned, given actual coverage on their website, and decent prizes. |
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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2009, 06:54:01 pm » |
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Why couldn't the event be 3 days?
Friday--> Saturday = Legacy GP style event
Saturday evening --> All of Sunday = Vintage GP Style event.
Vintage needs a sanctioned GP Style event cause even GenCon really isn't that.
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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2009, 07:20:24 pm » |
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Don't most GPs have side events of all formats, including Vintage?
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« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2009, 10:33:18 pm » |
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Don't most GPs have side events of all formats, including Vintage?
Many do, and the Legacy Grand Prix did have a Vintage event. The problem is there was little coverage of the Vintage event on Wizard's site. If they called it "Eternal Weekend" and then in addition to the Grand Prix coverage, they devoted an article to the Vintage Friday tournament where there were top 8 decklists, top 8 profiles, pictures, and feature matchups, it would show Wizard's cares about the format, increase visibility to the format, and make it all the more exciting for the players attending. |
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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2009, 12:47:42 am » |
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2) The Eternal Weekend be similar in size to a regionals or a city championships or a large scale PTQ. It would NOT be a Grand Prix.
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« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2009, 12:50:23 am » |
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I really have to agree with Steve and think we should let go of the idea of attaching this to a GP (or even having it be a GP). I think that is more pie in the sky rather than something achievable, primarily because WotC wouldn't support it the way we want. I think if we could instead come up with something that WotC could actually get behind and support, we have a much, much greater chance of having it come into reality.
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« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2009, 01:40:40 am » |
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For the record, I actually also agree that it should NOT be a GP. Maybe it was unclear in my previous post, but I was merely stating that it could be run in a manner similar to a GP.
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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2009, 11:02:54 am » |
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I think the only way we could get this to fly is if we get the Legacy people behind it as well.
What do you think?
Steve, If you're serious about getting this off the ground, I would agree. Get in touch with me if you'd like help from the Source. Adam |
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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2009, 07:24:29 pm » |
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I am definitely serious about this. But only if the Vintage and Legacy communities could get beyond it. I'd like to get the kinks worked out before bringing this to the Legacy community. If I propose this to Wizards, I want everyone to sign onto it as one formal letter that I would physically mail to Wizards AND Publish online as a PDF. FYI, an amendment to my proposal. Instead of getting a Pro Tour invite, which would create too much controversy, the City Champs format is the model: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=events/magic/citychampsWinner gets an invite to US Nationals (or Canadian Nationals). 2nd and 3rd places get byes at Regionals. That's how it should be done. |
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« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2009, 07:28:55 pm » |
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That does seem like a better model. Plus, I mean, City Champs, Vintage Champs, its like this was in the cards all along! Seriously though, I would support this for sure. More than one real Vintage event each year would be really awesome and I think that leeching off Legacy (lets be serious, we get a lot more out of this than they do from us) is something that I fully support.
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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2009, 07:44:36 pm » |
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I'd sign it.
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« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2009, 08:19:06 pm » |
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This is a pretty sick idea. I am hoping to see what comes from it.
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« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2009, 08:31:55 pm » |
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Perhaps byes in the Vintage or Legacy championships would be in order?
Foil cards for showing up (power would be amazing, though any Vintage and/or Legacy cards would be hot) could also be given. Foil cards could also be just for top finishers if WotC was squeamish about giving out too many of whatever.
Obviously, I'm not WotC so I don't know what they'd go for; these are just suggestions.
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« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2009, 09:41:15 pm » |
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I definitely love this idea and will help in any way I can (not that I've been around the scene too much as of recent).
I really love the idea of exposing people to this format more than 1.5 Legacy events a year (no pun intended) and 1 Vintage event a year.
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« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2009, 03:33:14 am » |
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If I propose this to Wizards, I want everyone to sign onto it as one formal letter that I would physically mail to Wizards AND Publish online as a PDF.
Would we have to sign it in blood like the Team Meandeck contract? If so I will pass, but if we can use good old fashioned ink I'm in! |
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« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2009, 06:55:14 am » |
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Id sign it.
How many signatures do you think it's going to take to show we are seriously serious?
What kind of plot do you have to gather such a large number of signatures and what is the easiest way to accomplish this?
I was thinking you could draft the letter and have it posted online. If you could convince a couple of people in different regions of the country (world??) to gather signatures at the different tournaments they go to, or even just to gather signatures from people they know who play eternal, then you could get quite a few signatures in a short time. Let's face it, we'll need more people than just Menendian collecting signatures.
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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2009, 11:44:40 pm » |
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Post it at every game shop and or tournament. Easy enough.
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« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2009, 08:21:46 am » |
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Steve,
If you want help with this, PM me. I will see what I can do.
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