R/G Beats

[grungyboy]

Hi. I'm planning to add some 3 Viridian Zealots in my R/G Beats. I'm planning to do so as i don't like running Null Rod as it will also shutdown my Aether Vial and my Skullclamp and i don't like and have no plans of splashing white for Q. Pridemage. I know that Pridemage is clearly much better than Zealots but I was thinking of maybe I can use Viridian Zealot as I use Vials. What do you guys think? Thanking you guys in advance.

[smasher]

I don't care for the idea but if you wanna run that guy then I'd suggest the new one from alara reborn that is  and a 3/2 with the same ability. sorry I can't remember the name, its uncommon if this helps you figuring it out.

[grungyboy]

I think you are referring to Vithian Renegades; but it only destroys artifacts. I'm considering Zealot as it both destroys artifacts AND enchantments. i was thinking once it hit play, your opponent has to find ways of playing around it.

[honestabe]

If null rod is a concern, you may want to try pithing needles maindecked.  They're cheap, and they're much more versatile against the whole field.

[grungyboy]

actaully i aslso thought on using Pithing Needle; thing is my creature count will drop. so is Viridian Zealot viable in a R/G Beats deck or is it not?

[honestabe]

actaully i aslso thought on using Pithing Needle; thing is my creature count will drop. so is Viridian Zealot viable in a R/G Beats deck or is it not?

It seems ok

[Joblin Velder]

Zealot is pretty mana intensive. I know you're looking for something that targets enchantments as well, but Tin Street Hooligan has been doing well for me.

A non creature options that stand out to me is Seal of Primordium.

[swawagon]

If this RG player uses SkullClamp and Aether Vial and fears Null Rod, I don't see what Pithing Needle would do for him or her? That's not to say Pithing is bad, it just doesn't do anything about Null Rod. Pithing is commonly used to name: Wasteland, Time Vault, Fetchlands, Bazaar of Baghdad, Goblin Welder...

Also if running RG and you fear artifacts, the natural go-to card would be ANCIENT GRUDGE to potentially hit 2 artifacts or opponents would need 2 counters to protect an artifact.

If you also fear enchantments (Oath of Druids?) Seal of Primordium (thanks Soly) or Naturalize are probably your best answers in RG.

[M.Solymossy]

You mean Seal of Primordium.

[JudasKilled]

r/g wont win tourneys....you need the power of one of the other colors.
Black for bob/discard
Blue for counters and recall
or white for teeg and aggro disruption

otherwise every I win deck(all of vintage) will plow it in yer ass hard anytime you dont have the nuts draw.  Youll beat fish though!

[grungyboy]

I'm planning of running 2 Ancient Grudge main...is this a bad idea?

otherwise every I win deck(all of vintage) will plow it in yer ass hard anytime you dont have the nuts draw.

that's why i don't like running Null Rods as the only draw engine i have is Clamp (well, i also run 2 Ohran Vipers main but this is mainly for Inky; but i'm planning also to use Thornweald Archer instead as the Viper is kinda mana intensive too)...

[median]

You've probably already checked these out, but a lot of information can be found here:
http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=37439.0
http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=38726.0

I also think there's a tournament report here somewhere with one of the adepts (the atog lord?) making first at a waterbury Christmas Beatings, i just can't find it.

The only other thing i can say is don't underestimate Tar Fire in this deck.

[urweak]

What does your deck list look like. We might be able to give you ideas if we know whats already in your deck.

You've probably already checked these out, but a lot of information can be found here:
http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=37439.0
http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=38726.0

I also think there's a tournament report here somewhere with one of the adepts (the atog lord?) making first at a waterbury Christmas Beatings, i just can't find it.

The only other thing i can say is don't underestimate Tar Fire in this deck.

Those are good, this one is much older, but its where i started with my R/G beats development. Looking back its funny to see the talk about the newly printed goyf.

[Demonic Attorney]

As others have noted, Seal of Primordium is probably the card you want if you're looking for good artifact hate that also hits Oath of Druids.  Its ability to interfere with Time Vault alone makes it worth taking a serious look at.

Also, if you're looking for a model list to follow, try Ian Mulligan's 7th place list from BatterUp Games.

[grungyboy]

What does your deck list look like. We might be able to give you ideas if we know whats already in your deck.

Yeah, sorry about that...anyways here's what i was running together with the changes i'm considering:

4 Kird Ape
4 Mogg Fanatic
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Tin Street Hooligan
3 Magus of the Moon
3 Scab-Clan Mauler
2 Ohran Viper
1 Simian Spirit Guide (this should be Mox Ruby but unfortunately i don't have one)
1 Elvish Spirit Guide (this should be Mox Emerald but unfortunately i don't have one)
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Seal of Fire
4 Aether Vial
3 Chalice of the Void
3 Skullclamp
1 Lotus Petal (this should be Black Lotus but unfortunately, again,  i don't have one)
4 Taiga
4 Wooded Foothills
2 Wasteland
2 Windswept Heath
2 Mountain
1 Forest
1 Strip Mine   

the chages i'm considering are:


-3 Scab-Clan Mauler; +3 Viridian Zealot

I want to run Zealots only as a 3-of as i consider them only as "back-up"  to TSH in artifact destruction and also as an anti-Vault-Key and Oath tech as well that beats; however, as everyone pointed out, the activation is very high that's why i'm only planning on running them as 3-of only as i don't want to see Zealot on my opening hand. but i'm also thinking Ancient Grudge is much superior in stopping the Vault-Key combo.   

-2 Ohran Viper; +2 Thornweald Archer

Sure Viper can help you draw cards but here are lots of times that i needed to block a Tinkered Inky  or need a creature in play but i can't because:
1.)my mana is either few
2.)Aether vial's charge is 2
3.) i don't have enough green mana. so i guess Thornweald is in.

-1 Seal of Fire; +1 Chalice of The Void

Initially i thought of running only 3 as once i have one in play i don't want to draw another one again as i thought this will be useless and should be another card instead; it turns out against powered decks running a full set of Moxen this should almost always be in my opening hand as when it comes to tempo they will be way ahead of me.

The side board almost looks like this but still open for changes:

4 Pyrostatic Pillar
4 Seal of Primordium
3 Ancient Grudge
3 Relic of Progenitus
1 Thornweald Archer