Zendikar boosters include Ancestral Recall?

[policehq]

Is there a limited amount of boxes that will include these cards? That is, if I order a case (or five) right now, will it be too late?

[waywreth]

It is unknown at this time if the first printing is the only one that contains the vintage cards, or all printings.

[BoshNRoll]

Is there a limited amount of boxes that will include these cards? That is, if I order a case (or five) right now, will it be too late?

There's been nothing official, but the general buzz seems to be that it will only be in the first print run which has already sold out at the distributor level.  However, if you're buying cards from secondary dealers those boxes can only be the first print run at this point (obviously).  So for the time being any box you can get your hands on will have a chance, but you won't find any for less than triple digits.

[vassago]

I get the feeling that this might be a way for WotC to "test the waters," so to speak, to see what kind of reaction they get from consumers.  All the questions that people are asking about whether or not it will affect the value of their cards is exactly what they may be looking for.  Depending on how upset collectors are or how much the prices of power are truly affected, it might pave the way for future revisions to the Reserved List, and potential reprints of power.

It seems like a very reasonable approach if you were considering whether or not to reprint power.

100% agree, for the following reasons...

There are more and more mega T1 tournaments in Europe. A japanese player won worlds, and there is also the American vintage scene. Maybe the realization that vintage has worldwide appeal has helped adjust the way wizards treats the Vintage community?

Vintage is exciting and people want to play. The more broader our format gets, the more attention we will get from wizards.  

The other part of me is scared that this is the end of Magic. Like they've accepted that business or creative reasons, the game we love has come to the end of it's life and they're just cleaning up the cupboards, sticking in the cards we've all clamoured for (fetches) and getting ready to switch the lights off - otherwise why not hold out until the 20th anniversary to do this? I really hope I'm wrong.

I hate to ruffle feathers, but you are kidding right?  Magic isn't going to die for quite some time.  I used to think these thoughts sometimes and consider selling off my beta/alpha power, but after my experiences with selling on the secondary market through ebay and card shark, the demand for even the dumbest cards is ridiculously high. For example http://www.cardkingdom.com/index.php?sid=695047843&main=catalog&mode=buylist&category_id=36000  take some time and go through this buylist, and then for other sets.  Why are these buy prices so high for BULLSHIT cards, in a competitive light that is?  Just so you know, casual players drop tons of money on dumb cards, and believe it or not, they keep this game alive.  Out of the orders I send through cardshark, 1 out of 30 or so are filled with "serious" cards.  Sorry if I have a negative tone, but it's very unlikely that the end is anyway where near.

[tito del monte]

@Vassago
Don't get me wrong - god, the last thing I want is the game to die. But it is such a radical move that I think it's normal to be wary of the motivation behind it. And yes, of course there's demand for cards on the secondary market and that's great, but it doesn't mean that Wizards necessarily sells enough packs or expects to continue selling enough packs to sustain whatever its (Hasbro's) business plan may be. Like I said, I hope the game is and remains in rude health - I was excited about Zendikar before today's madness, and hope it gives a the eternal formats a real shot in the arm!

[vassago]

@Vassago
Don't get me wrong - god, the last thing I want is the game to die. But it is such a radical move that I think it's normal to be wary of the motivation behind it. And yes, of course there's demand for cards on the secondary market and that's great, but it doesn't mean that Wizards necessarily sells enough packs or expects to continue selling enough packs to sustain whatever its (Hasbro's) business plan may be. Like I said, I hope the game is and remains in rude health - I was excited about Zendikar before today's madness, and hope it gives a the eternal formats a real shot in the arm!

I disagree completely that they do not sell enough packs.  Infact, the demand m10 has been absurd due to their new policy of not over printing the new sets. At the store I work for, we buy five cases at a time, and in less than two weeks we are completely out. Even the other stores in the valley cannot keep product. This is a serious indication that they are actually selling alot of packs. 

[Purple Hat]

I think they're gonna start doing real vintage events and had to make a legit way to get the cards before they did, but they don't want to piss off collectors by violating the reprint policy, so they redistributed the cards this way and they put out whatever extra cards they had lying around.  I think this can only signal increased support (more than 1 tournament each year) from wizards.

[jaeppel]

so that settles it, i will get myeslf a booster box of zendikar, the first such purchase ive made since alliances.  a shame i sold off the extra forces in the nineties.....

[Disburden]

I'm glad I preordered two booster boxes of this set a few weeks ago. The prices for these things are going off the roof on some sites and they are quickly becoming Ebay lottery tickets. Hopefully I will get some new p9 in mine!

[vartemis]

I'm glad I preordered two booster boxes of this set a few weeks ago. The prices for these things are going off the roof on some sites and they are quickly becoming Ebay lottery tickets. Hopefully I will get some new p9 in mine!

This is the only downside to this cool promo.  While it may be cool to open power in your box, Wizards could end up with egg on its face if a second set in a row is underdistributed, or if the dealers unreasonably jack up the prices.  Since I already have everything I need from the older sets, I'm just gonna wait this out and pick up a box later, if any are still available.  The cool thing for me is that I feel kind of like an adult watching kids crack open their Xmas gifts.  Not many people got to crack packs and find power, let alone with the understanding of just how good it is (I remember how pissed I was when I used to crack packs and my rare was a dual, ah the naivity lol).  Hopefully this does boost interest in the eternal formats.  Well, that and I hope that lots of boxes get cracked so singles are cheaper.  I swore I wouldn't get sucked back in... but between this set and Planechase... I'm finding it pretty hard.

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[Vegeta2711]

This is the only downside to this cool promo.  While it may be cool to open power in your box, Wizards could end up with egg on its face if a second set in a row is underdistributed, or if the dealers unreasonably jack up the prices.

Even without this promotion the set was going to sell out everywhere, this just took the hype to a fever pitch. Like it's making a lot of dealers do stupid things (like cancel preorders), but the price gouging was going to happen anyway. I'm not joking when I say if you have the extra cash lying around, buy a box at 110 or 120. You'll be able to resell it sealed for 150 or more in 2 weeks.

[LotusHead]

Any theories as to what the new fetchlands will go for compared to the original fetchlands?

[Wagner]

Any theories as to what the new fetchlands will go for compared to the original fetchlands?

Some say the market will be flooded because of the massive box opoenings due to the super rare vintage cards, but then again, you can never have enough fetch lands.

They are at 1round 15 a piece on ebay right now, I don't think they'll go over that for the time being, there will still be tons more than the original fetches.

[elgoff]

Right now, Starcitygames and other sites just moved their prices up for ALL the new fetch lands...

15-->17,50 for RW, WB, GB

17-->19-20 for RU, GU

Prices are kinda crazy also for the Foil version...

40 for RW, WB, GB
70 for RU
80 for GU

[hyperchord24]

Could it be just a marketing ploy by WotC?  You have players who play strictly eternal formats and know better than to buy packs.  There are some of them who have the money to buy playsets of FoWs, original duals, etc. and even people who buy playsets of bazaars, drains and workshops.  Wizards know they have money, but many of them, like me bought one pack of sealed product in the past 15 years (the "rat's nest" theme dek that had Jitte in it).  I bought a box (my first ever) of Zendikar just so I could finally know the thrill of opening 36 bosters in a row and to (hopefully!) feel like Charlie Bucket and get my golden ticket.  Would $100 in singles be the better investment?  Probably.  Maybe I'm the guy they're targeting.  There's $100 of my money they wouldn't normally have gotten.  And hey, I might even buy a second box.  I at least hope to sell off the high-dollar rares, to help off set the cost.

[vassago]

40 for RW, WB, GB
70 for RU
80 for GU

This should have been easily predicted.  For the next two years, the two blue ones will remain the same price as  flooded strands due to obvious reasons.  I doubt any of them will actually top polluted delta, but you never know what they will print.

Side note, I would love to see a green duress that only hits artifacts and enchantments. That would be kind of cool. 

[Almanomada]

From reading various forums the consensus I have seen with the wizards repacks is 1 in 720 packs and roughly 8 cards pulled out of like 9,000 boosters throughout the texas area and out of all those --1 ancestral recall, 5 dual lands a phyrexian dreadnought and a candelabra of tawnos.  So I am guessing that if you are super lucky, you may get a dual land... personally I am pissed that the boxes are so high and am not buying a single box.  I was about to preorder a case at 550 3 weeks ago and because i am in Kuwait, and heading back to the US in the next 7 days i decided to wait a week to order mainly because i didnt have a good address yet.  After that one week, cases were a min 600 -then 2 days later 660 and now boxes are 120+ making cases redic.  even starcitygames had three price hikes in less than 5 days.  I bought all the enemy fetches off ebay and plan on buying my power through credible stores.

[RichardD]

From reading various forums the consensus I have seen with the wizards repacks is 1 in 720 packs and roughly 8 cards pulled out of like 9,000 boosters throughout the texas area and out of all those --1 ancestral recall, 5 dual lands a phyrexian dreadnought and a candelabra of tawnos.  So I am guessing that if you are super lucky, you may get a dual land... personally I am pissed that the boxes are so high and am not buying a single box.  I was about to preorder a case at 550 3 weeks ago and because i am in Kuwait, and heading back to the US in the next 7 days i decided to wait a week to order mainly because i didnt have a good address yet.  After that one week, cases were a min 600 -then 2 days later 660 and now boxes are 120+ making cases redic.  even starcitygames had three price hikes in less than 5 days.  I bought all the enemy fetches off ebay and plan on buying my power through credible stores.

Boxes have been about 90-100 EUR here for some time now (since the last increase), so I can only say that all of you are lucky with those low prices still.

I like the new promotion, but I'd HATE it if they didn't follow their own reprint policy.

[shadow00]

any other reports of vintage cards being pulled?

[i_set_fire]

any other reports of vintage cards being pulled?

check the zendikar treasures thread

[jmdario]

Hello everybody, I own a store in Mexico city (Laberinto) and I was thrilled when I opened a Mox Ruby some moments ago (so much that I opened my account here to tell everybody who wants to listen to the story), I have to tell you I was looking for a Sorin, luckly the Mox Ruby came first in about 6 boxes and a half! If anyone wants a picture it will be my pleasure to give it to you! Best luck to everybody to open one treasure, it feels incredible!