N.Y.S.E. Challenge III - Official Report

[Prospero]

   
        To begin I’d like to thank everyone who came out to Brothers Grim on Saturday, our judge Brian Paskoff, and the Brothers Grim staff.  I had a great time running the event and I was glad to see all of you there.  
   
       With 53 players we had the largest N.Y.S.E. event yet.  It was the largest Vintage tournament ever held on Long Island, and I have a great deal of hope for future N.Y.S.E. events.  The next N.Y.S.E. event will be held in early December, with all details set to follow sometime later this week.  In all likelihood N.Y.S.E. IV will be for an Unlimited Time Walk.  I will run N.Y.S.E. V sometime in January, and it will be my second Lotus tournament.
   
       There will be pictures of the top 8 players, holding their prizes, put up sometime later this week I hope.  I’m waiting on the pictures to be emailed to me.


The Complete Metagame Breakdown:

Dragon w. Tezzeret Board: 2
Tezzeret: 10
Oath: 4
5CStax: 7
Painter: 2
Noble Fish: 3
Dredge: 4
TPS: 5
Bloodghast/Clamp: 2
Black Control: 2
SCV: 1
Hexmage/Depths: 1
White Weenie w. Green: 1
Next Level Vault: 1
Mono Red Shops: 1
Elves!: 1
R/G Beats: 1
StifleNaught: 1
Ophidian Control: 1
Counter/Burn: 1
U/G Fish: 1
Zuran/Crucible/Fastbond Combo: 1

   
       There was a significant bounce in Workshops from N.Y.S.E II to N.Y.S.E. III, as Workshop based strategies were nearly as popular as the ubiquitous Tezzeret decks.  Rituals and Bazaars were also a noticeable factor in the metagame.  Mana Drains comprised roughly 27% of the field (with Tezzeret making up 18% of the overall field), Workshops 15%, Rituals 9%, Bazaars 7.5% and Null Rod strategies 13% with the remaining decks blurring lines between pillars or falling outside them entirely.


Top 8 Pairings and Results
Nick Coss (D3G) vs. Matt Elias (D3G) – Elias wins
Austin Pollack vs. Paul Mastriano (Meandeck) – Mastriano wins
Scott Conway vs. Ici Li – Conway wins
Jeff Folinus (D3G) vs. Brendan Banfield – Folinus wins

Top 4 Pairings and Results
Jeff Folinus (D3G) vs. Paul Mastriano (Meandeck) – Folinus wins
Matt Elias (D3G) vs. Scott Conway – Elias wins


Finals
Matt Elias (D3G) vs. Jeff Folinus (D3G) – Elias wins

       To be fair, the finals were a split with Elias getting the Lotus and the credit for the win.  Congratulations to Matt Elias, Jeff Folinus and all of our top 8 competitors!
  

Top 8 Decklists
1st – Matt Elias
Iona Oath

4 Force of Will
3 Thoughtseize
1 Duress
4 Oath of Druids
4 Impulse
2 Hellkite Overlord
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Yawgmoth’s Will
1 Lim Dul’s Vault
1 Ponder
1 Brainstorm
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Thirst for Knowledge
2 Spell Pierce
1 Wipe Away
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Sensei’s Divining Top
1 Time Vault
1 Voltaic Key
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Strip Mine
1 Wasteland
3 Underground Sea
2 Tropical Island
1 Volcanic Island
2 Misty Rainforest
3 Flooded Strand
4 Forbidden Orchard
SB:
2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Krosan Grip
2 Firespout
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Ravenous Trap
1 Tormod’s Crypt
1 Oxidize
1 Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund

2nd – Jeff Folinus
Tezzeret

4 Polluted Delta
1 Flooded Strand
3 Island
1 Swamp
3 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Vault
4 Force of Will
3 Duress
1 Thoughtseize
4 Mana Drain
1 Misdirection
1 Hurkyl’s Recall
1 Fire/Ice
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Ponder
1 Time Walk
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Yawgmoth’s Will
3 Dark Confidant
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Tezzeret, the Seeker
1 Tinker
1 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Time Vault
1 Voltaic Key
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Sensei’s Divining Top

SB:
2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
1 Sower of Temptation
1 Arcane Laboratory
2 Leyline of the Void
1 Ravenous Trap
1 Tormod’s Crypt
1 Yixlid Jailer
1 Relic of Progenitus
2 Rack and Ruin
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Hurkyl’s Recall

3rd – Scott Conway
Dragon Oath

4 Forbidden Orchard
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
2 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
1 Island
1 Forest
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Lotus Petal
1 Sensei’s Divining Top
4 Oath of Druids
2 Hellkite Overlord
1 Akroma, Angel of Wrath
4 Force of Will
2 Lim Dul’s Vault
4 Impulse
2 Thoughtseize
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Ancestral Recall
4 Spell Pierce
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Gaea’s Blessing
2 Duress
1 Ponder
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Hurkyl’s Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Brainstorm
1 Echoing Truth

SB:
4 Leyline of the Void
3 Mindbreak Trap
2 Iona, Shield of Emeria
3 Oxidize
1 Pithing Needle
2 Null Rod

4th – Paul Mastriano
“Time Vault”

1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Sensei’s Divining Top
1 Sundering Titan
1 Time Vault
1 Voltaic Key
1 Lotus Petal
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Time Walk
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Yawgmoth’s Will
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Imperial Seal
1 Tezzeret, the Seeker
1 Repeal
1 Rebuild
1 Misdirection
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Tinker
1 Darkblast
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Ponder
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
4 Dark Confidant
2 Mystic Remora
4 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will
2 Island
1 Swamp
3 Underground Sea
4 Polluted Delta
1 Flooded Strand
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Tolarian Academy

SB:
1 Threads of Disloyalty
1 Tormod’s Crypt
1 Inkwell Leviathan
3 Yixlid Jailer
2 Relic of Progenitus
1 Pithing Needle
2 Hurkyl’s Recall
2 Spell Pierce
2 Sower of Temptation

5th – Nick Coss
Worldgorger Dragon Combo (Demonic Attorney’s Build)

4 Polluted Delta
1 Flooded Strand
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Misty Rainforest
4 Underground Sea
2 Island
1 Swamp
4 Bazaar of Baghdad
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
4 Dark Confidant
3 Worldgorger Dragon
1 Oona, Queen of the Fae
2 Intuition
2 Animate Dead
2 Dance of the Dead
1 Necromancy
2 Read the Runes
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Echoing Truth
1 Sensei’s Divining Top
4 Duress
4 Force of Will
1 Time Walk
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor

SB:
4 Mana Drain
1 Tezzeret, the Seeker
1 Fire/Ice
1 Tinker
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
1 Yawgmoth’s Will
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Ponder
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Time Vault
1 Voltaic Key
1 Volcanic Island

6th – Brendan Banfield
Tezzeret

1 Time Vault
4 Mana Drain
1 Time Walk
1 Lotus Petal
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Voltaic Key
1 Mana Vault
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
3 Underground Sea
1 Swamp
2 Island
1 Library of Alexandria
4 Repeal
1 Hurkyl’s Recall
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Polluted Delta
1 Flooded Strand
4 Dark Confidant
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Brainstorm
1 Tinker
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Ponder
4 Force of Will
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
2 Tezzeret, the Seeker
1 Darkblast
1 Pithing Needle
1 Sensei’s Divining Top
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
1 Yawgmoth’s Will

SB:
2 Pithing Needle
4 Ravenous Trap
2 Hurkyl’s Recall
3 Mystic Remora
2 Mindbreak Trap
2 Sower of Temptation

7th - Ici Li
Mono Red Shops

4 Mishra’s Workshop
4 Bazaar of Baghdad
4 Wasteland
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Strip Mine
4 Barbarian Ring
3 Mountain
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
4 Goblin Welder
4 Smokestack
4 Tangle Wire
4 Crucible of Worlds
4 Sphere of Resistance
4 Null Rod
4 Chalice of the Void
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Vault
1 Mana Crypt
1 Memory Jar
1 Trinisphere

SB:
4 Tormod’s Crypt
4 Shattering Spree
4 Ensnaring Bridge
3 Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale

8th – Austin Pollack
Next Level Vault

1 Engineered Explosives
1 Lotus Petal
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mana Crypt
1 Tormod’s Crypt
2 Sensei’s Divining Top
1 Sol Ring
1 Time Vault
1 Voltaic Key
1 Pithing Needle
1 Academy Ruins
1 Forest
2 Island
3 Misty Rainforest
3 Polluted Delta
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Snow Covered Island
1 Tropical Island
3 Underground Sea
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Echoing Truth
4 Force of Will
4 Mana Drain
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Vampiric Tutor
3 Counterbalance
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
2 Sower of Temptation
3 Trinket Mage
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Ponder
1 Regrowth
1 Time Walk
1 Tinker
1 Yawgmoth’s Will

SB:
1 Hurykl’s Recall
2 Oxidize
3 Krosan Grip
1 Helm of Obedience
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Curfew

   The 9th place prize of 4 foil Carnival of Souls went to Walter Wertz.  Congratulations Walter!  

       The no proxy prize of an English Mana Crypt went to tournament winner Matt Elias.  Congratulations Matt!
   
       The sportsmanship prize of an English foil Sphinx of the Steel Wind went to Dave Gans.  If we could play against the Dave Gans’s of the world for the rest of our lives we’d all be better for it.  Congratulations Dave!
   
       I’d like to offer my thanks to everyone who came out and competed on Saturday, it was a great day for Vintage on Long Island.  I’d also like to once again thank Brian Paskoff and all the Brothers Grim staff for their help throughout the day.
   
       And I hope to see all of you guys again in December for N.Y.S.E. IV!

[voltron00x]

I'm not sure what makes me happier, reading this TO report or watching Jimmy Rollins destroy the hopes and dreams of Dodgers fans everywhere!  (see your Yanks in the World Series, Nick - still sure you want to play the Phils?)

This was an awesome tournament - its really exciting to have another regular Vintage event to attend.

I want to make sure Scott gets some big props - this was his first Vintage event, and his only two losses in the tournament were to me in the mirror... a slightly unfair advantage to me, given my 60+ rounds with Oath in '09.  Oath had a tremendous showing at this event with only 4 out of 53 in the event, and 2 in the top 4 (plus a finals split in the 16-man side event as well!).  Zendikar really charged up the Oath strategy.  I'll have a full report in my SCG article next Monday.

Props:

D3G - just another day at the office for us!
"Tiger" Steve - thanks for calling me out and getting me amped up.  You won't be booting me off the team any time soon...
Jeff - Beating Mastriano twice on the day in the mirror to get to the finals?  You're a better man than I.
Nick - congrats on the T8, sorry we couldn't play real Magic in that 3rd game.  I think that deck suits you well.
Scott - see you at the NYSE IV, great job in your first Vintage tournament.  Recruit your friends!
Austin - Nice job on the T8 with CB/Top, I still think you're onto something with that deck.

Slops:

"Thai" food - I'm still pretty sure that was ground cat, and rancid ground cat at that.
Truman Show-style rain clouds - It rained the entire drive to NY, then stopped, then immediately started again on the drive home... WTF?

[scott.c]

lol, my names not Steve!

and thx nick for hosting, had an awesome time, and Matt, hopefully i can figure out how to effectively beat the mirror by next time lol

[Prospero]

lol, my names not Steve!

and thx nick for hosting, had an awesome time, and Matt, hopefully i can figure out how to effectively beat the mirror by next time lol

Somewhere out there in cyberspace Steve (aka Josh) Nowakowski is laughing.  I didn't even realize that I had done it.  My apologies.

I'm not sure what makes me happier, reading this TO report or watching Jimmy Rollins destroy the hopes and dreams of Dodgers fans everywhere!  (see your Yanks in the World Series, Nick - still sure you want to play the Phils?)

I do want to see the Phillies.  You've got a great team and it would be a great Series, but I honestly believe that this is the Yankees year. 

[A.-1.]

Nick and Ralph are still my heroes for running Dragon SB into Tezz.  Conrgrats to the top 8 and to Walt for beating me again to get 9th. I really wanted those foil Carnival of Souls.  Maybe next time.

What was the sportsmanship prize based on?  I think I should won based solely on the fact that I helped The Tiger win two matches.

[FAVO!!!!1]

Conrgrats to the top 8 and to Walt for beating me again to get 9th. I really wanted those foil Carnival of Souls.  Maybe next time.

Maybe next time, we'll play for something of more significant value. ^.^ Cause I'm sure as hell tired of 9th place, lol.

Great event again, Nick. As I said before, when my friends and I are in a better financial circumstance, we'll definitely make the trip again. Hopefully in time for January's Black Lotus. And I'm still working on a frame for those Carnival of Souls.

And lastly, congrats to the top 8.

[Twaun007]

Jeff Folinus blast his way through another tourney.... Man that guy is good.

I am totally going to have to make it out to one of your future events. They sound like an utter blast to play in.

What is the weather like there in January?

[Prospero]

Jeff Folinus blast his way through another tourney.... Man that guy is good.

I am totally going to have to make it out to one of your future events. They sound like an utter blast to play in.

What is the weather like there in January?

It'll be cold but probably without snow.  The last few years it hasn't been that bad.  I'd love to see you make the event, not to mention that I heard that New York City was a great place to do anything in your free time.  The events have been a ton of fun, we have some great personalities that have made these events more than just a tournament.

Conrgrats to the top 8 and to Walt for beating me again to get 9th. I really wanted those foil Carnival of Souls.  Maybe next time.

Maybe next time, we'll play for something of more significant value. ^.^ Cause I'm sure as hell tired of 9th place, lol.

Great event again, Nick. As I said before, when my friends and I are in a better financial circumstance, we'll definitely make the trip again. Hopefully in time for January's Black Lotus. And I'm still working on a frame for those Carnival of Souls.

And lastly, congrats to the top 8.

Congrats again on your foil Carnival of Souls.  I definitely like them better than the Sorrow's Path's I gave out to 9th place last time.  Though they don't make their own decisions like the Floral Spuzzums I handed out the first time...

Nick and Ralph are still my heroes for running Dragon SB into Tezz.  Conrgrats to the top 8 and to Walt for beating me again to get 9th. I really wanted those foil Carnival of Souls.  Maybe next time.

What was the sportsmanship prize based on?  I think I should won based solely on the fact that I helped The Tiger win two matches.

The sportsmanship prize was subjective and based on matches that I watched over the course of the day.  I was looking for a player who was courteous to his opponent and generally decent the whole day.  Sportsmanship is going to be a tough prize in this community because we have so many players who make the concerted effort to be decent - it makes our format unlike the others.  There were many, many people there on Saturday that easily deserved a sportsmanship prize, Dave was the lucky one.

Sportsmanship will be something that goes to an individual once in all likelihood.  I'll be on the lookout for fresh blood next time.

[voltron00x]

lol, my names not Steve!

and thx nick for hosting, had an awesome time, and Matt, hopefully i can figure out how to effectively beat the mirror by next time lol

If you find some way to stop your lucksack opponent from drawing all 4 Orchards, let me know 

[Iron_Chef]

I'm just happy I got to eject James Hangley into the Snapple Bracket and put him on tilt!  They were epic games, to be sure.  Thanks Nick for running the event, it was great.  I hope to see everyone from here at my event in NJ on November 21st! (see my signature for details).

-Nick

[forcethewill]

The glorious snapple bracket!! Oh how i love thee...
Great games were had 2-0-7 were an epic number!!

[eirl]

Hey Nick, this is Ethan.  Just wanted to let you know I am on here now.  Got a list that needs looking over so hit me up some time.

[constant_flux]

Was there was only 1 mono R workshop deck in the entire field? How in the world did this single stax deck make top8? I think it's extremely surprising how there were 7 5cStax decks in the swiss, but none of them made the top8. The fact that the single mono R workshop deck made the top8 seems to be telling me that this was probably a total fluke. What a joke.

[Sporkcore]

Nick, once again, great tournament. I had a great time and the people who didn't come missed out on a hell of a tournament. I'm glad to see these growing in size and 53 people should be a good indication of how many people we could see coming for future events.

Props:
Nick, Brian Paskoff and the Brothers Grim staff for putting on a great event.
Everyone coming from out of the state to show their support.
Jimmy Hangely for having an extremely awesome match with me, one so epic the table collapsed.
Sphinx of the Steel Wind for being Pro-red so I didn't have to worry about active Welders.
Max Brown for beating people with a 20/20 Flying, Indestructible token.
Dave Gans for being the awesome guy that he is.

Slops:
Route 25 for owning me. Next time I'm so making sure I print up directions on how to get home.
Me for not going out to the bar after the tournament.
My deck for crapping out on me in the T8. Oh well, there's always next time.

[Stormanimagus]

Was there was only 1 mono R workshop deck in the entire field? How in the world did this single stax deck make top8? I think it's extremely surprising how there were 7 5cStax decks in the swiss, but none of them made the top8. The fact that the single mono R workshop deck made the top8 seems to be telling me that this was probably a total fluke. What a joke.

Dude, that mono-red stax deck was a deck built and piloted by my teammate Ici Li and it is CERTAINLY no joke. You go on thinking that while he cleans your clock every time. That deck is for real and he's probably the best pilot of that deck that I know. Too bad he doesn't make it to more events or he'd be top-8-ing at all of 'em. I think 5-color lists are actually less optimal than mono-red because they run too many tutors and unnecessary bombs that cloud the idea of the deck as a "hard lock" strategy. IMHO. Careful before you jump to conclusions on what's a fluke and a joke.

-Storm

[MirariKnight]

53 players is awesome. Just a few months ago that would be just a dream. Awesome job Nick.

[Jostin123]

That mono red stax deck is the truth.  Many people have picked it up, and quickly put it back down.  It is one of the more dfficult stax builds to pilot properly, and within time.  Only two people have played this deck.  If you look at the match win percentages and tournament history of the deck, the results speak for themselves.  And if my understanding is correct, the Oath deck he lost to in the top 8 is the same deck he beat in the swiss.  Congrats Ici on another strong finish. 

[voltron00x]

And if my understanding is correct, the Oath deck he lost to in the top 8 is the same deck he beat in the swiss.  Congrats Ici on another strong finish. 

I don't believe that's correct, since I beat Scott in round 3.  I'm pretty sure he had to win / ID out from there to make the T8.  He was running 2x Hellkite, 1x Akroma main so his build was much better against Shop decks than one running just Iona.

[Prospero]

Was there was only 1 mono R workshop deck in the entire field? How in the world did this single stax deck make top8? I think it's extremely surprising how there were 7 5cStax decks in the swiss, but none of them made the top8. The fact that the single mono R workshop deck made the top8 seems to be telling me that this was probably a total fluke. What a joke.

There were two 5CStax decks that were in contention entering the last round, but both lost.  There was a fair amount of Oath in the field (which is a very swingy matchup) and a fair amount of Dredge (which is the predator for Shops).  With Shops at 15% of the field, even with bad matches, you had to think that one of them was going to make top 8.  That said, I think one of the 5CStax decks would have been better suited to take the whole thing down, as Mono Red has no flexibility, no tutoring, and is severely limited in its sideboard options.

[Gekoratel]

@Jostin - Ici(Mono-Red Stax) played against Bernie who was running the same 75 as Elias, like Matt said their matchup versus Stax is likely a bit worse than his Top 8 opponents.  I think that Mono-Red Stax and Null Rod Stax in general is a legitimate strategy in Vintage but Stax as a whole has not been performing well locally as it was a couple months ago.

Thanks for running another great tournament Nick, event ran very smoothly and good times were had by all.  Anyone that plays in the tri-state area should really make it down for these tournaments as the quality of opponents is high and they have a good atmosphere.

[forcethewill]

I 4-2'd with 5c stax on saturday with my loses being a Mr Nick Coss and a Mr Austin Q Heywood.  Wether 5c or mono r is better its just a preference on play style. I dont believe either is better than the other.

[Hagrid]

I couldn't have picked a better event to start playing magic again very diverse and as always fun. Had a great time thx Nick for running yet another great event.
 

   P.S. I look forward to dreamcrushing you at Nick Coss's next tournament.

[Prospero]

I couldn't have picked a better event to start playing magic again very diverse and as always fun. Had a great time thx Nick for running yet another great event.
 

   P.S. I look forward to dreamcrushing you at Nick Coss's next tournament.

If this is Ralph Parsinitz I would have you know that the only person to ever knock me out of contention in Philly is Mastriano.  Once, in round 5 of the 'New Jersy Open', a second time in the finals at 'Philly Con III".  I got my revenge on him at the Dan Herd tourney though.

[Phele]

There recently has been a big difference in answering the question how many lands to pack in Tezz. While before many builds with 16 lands without Library have performed well, now builds with just 13 lands seem to come up. Any conclusion which configuration is better? I could imagine the 13 land build to have many problems against Staxx.

[StrongIslandRob]

Hey whats up all my name is Rob i attended the last 3 events and im sorry for posting on this thread but i was wondering if i could get some insieght on my new staxx build http://essentialmagic.com//decks/View.asp?ID=741509 any help would be great

[voltron00x]

Nick, what ever happened to the pictures from this?

[Prospero]

Nick, what ever happened to the pictures from this?

I was waiting on an email from one of the employees, though I never got it.  I had borrowed a digital camera for N.Y.S.E. II - I'll be doing that again for N.Y.S.E. IV.  I'm awful with technology though, so I might ask one of the other guys to put the pictures up for me after I've taken them.

[forcethewill]

Gotcha Max Brown stole them!!!