B/G suicidal vintage hate

[remoramistica]

Hello. Since the metagame here is almost unpowered I used to play a budget version of ANT (no moxes, the only expensive staples were Mana Crypt and lands). Now, I am willing to play the Legacy Grand Prix in Madrid and, as far as I know, the eternal community is organizing vintage side events for those days.

The sad thing here is: 1) I can´t afford power and 2) I dislike the use of proxies. So I´ve been working on a suicide budget deck that splashes green for Tarmogoyf. It is like a vintage version of Eva Green legacy´s archetype.


Creatures:

4 Tarmogoyf
4 Phyrexian Negator
4 Dark Confidant
3 Tombstalkers

Format hate:

4 Null Rod
4 Sadistic Sacrament
1 Pernicious Deed
1 Darkblast

Tutors:

1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Consultation

Draw engine:

1 Necropotence
1 Yawgmoth´s Will

Mana accel:

4 Dark Ritual
1 Cabal Ritual

Selective Disruption:

4 Duress
4 Thoughtsieze

Lands:

4 Wastelands
1 Strip Mine
4 Bayou
2 Polluted Delta
2 Marsh Flats
1 Bloodstained Mire
2 Verdant Catacombs
2 Swamps

SB:

4 Layline of the Void
2 Krosan Grip
3 Oxidize
2 Umezawa´s Jitte
4 Diabolic Edict

I am not sure about Pernicious Deed. I have not tested it but it seems just too slow for competitive enviroment.
Even in Legacy this card isn´t used in tempo builds like this one. Perhaps it is just situational. I am running one, but it is not a good tutor target...

In Legacy I use Hymn to Tourach over Duress. Here I am using thoughtsieze as duress 5 to 8. Intuition says to me that in vintage it is crucial to keep my opponent out of what he/she specifically needs.
Do you think I should have a room for more discard like the Hymn?

It´s hard for me to accept a black suicidal deck without Sinkholes, but I´ve heard that in Vintage it is not quite relevant because manabases stabilize whith artifacts. I´m already running LD in the form of Wasteland and Strip Mine but, since I´m also running Null Rod to neutralize moxes, what would be the effect of raising the land destruction effects?

Thanks for reading...

[honestabe]

It's probably a really bad idea to not run a lotus and moxen if it is a proxied tournament.  Also, you want a diabolic edict or 2 in the maindeck

[TheJesus]

Do not run Deed. That is the card I would most like to see against your deck!

If you test this a bit you might find that Night's Whisper is a better draw engine than Necro as you don't have the free mana to support it.

Another cheap ($) card is Fast Bond. If you want to stick to this list, definitely add the Fast Bond and make room for at least 2 Edicts. Sad Sac is awesome, but you probably don't need 4.

-1 Sad Sac
-1 Deed
- 1 Darkblast

+ 2 Edict
+ 1 Fast Bond

[mmmetaphor]

Consider Gatekeeper of Malakir over edict or atleast a split.  Has the same basic effect with a body to beat with... edicts instant ability has its advantages too but I like having access to another beater.

Sad Sac is worth a 4 of IMO, I've been testing it and it works great vs alot of tier 1 vintage decks. Having said that, it is pretty worthless vs aggroish style decks such as noble fish GBR hate etc.  In my area I'd expect heavy combo and tezz so I feel confidant maindecking all 4.

I made the same deck (basically) about a month ago for a splash for green for goyf and krosan but in the end i removed it and am playing straight mono black as I didn't think the splash really helped me all that much.  Also, I proxy a mox jet and lotus and its verrry worth it!

[vassago]

Most of what every one has said is true.  I disagree with fastbond though. I also disagree with cutting darkblast, that card is amazing.   PDeeds is shitty in your deck. Phyrexian Negator should not be in your deck.  Reason being is that fish is a real deck and you will see it.  In fact, from top 8 lists that I see in europe, noble fish is very popular there.  Another thing you could consider doing that is relatively cheap, hexmage and dark depths.  I do not know how I feel about Tombstalker in your list.  Another thing you might consider is tendrils of agony. If you are playing rituals and yawgmoth's will, it might be a good finisher if your storm to four or five.  If you are going to play leylines, play helm of obedience.  Necropotence is a busted card, but I do not know how I feel about it in your list. 

IMHO you should  get over your dislike of proxies. I hate to come off as asinine, but unless you're going to buy the cards, use the resources available to you to compete at the level where you might be able to win.  Why would you want to put yourself at a handicap?

[shroomy2dope]

Considering you play no artifact accelerants have you tested rootmaze? it doesnt remove threats, but is does give you time to duress them. alsn i beleive sol ring to be of use in lists like these.