First Eldrazi released (Spoiler)

[BC]

This guy rules with Fist of Suns.  

[Suicideking]

Yeah but you can play him in oath with dragon fangs and give him haste and start annihilating.

Seize the day might be good too.

[EnialisLiadon]

I think we get that most ways of cheating this guy into play will not draw us cards.

If Darksteel Colossus/Inkwell Leviathan/Sphinx/whatever drew you ten cards when you hardcast it, would we refuse to Tinker it into play?

[TopSecret]

I think we get that most ways of cheating this guy into play will not draw us cards.

If Darksteel Colossus/Inkwell Leviathan/Sphinx/whatever drew you ten cards when you hardcast it, would we refuse to Tinker it into play?

He is not an artifact to Tinker for if that's what you're getting at.
Perhaps someone should post in bold "NOT AN ARTIFACT" at the beginning of this thread since it's not that obvious?

Yeah but you can play him in oath with dragon fangs and give him haste and start annihilating.

Seize the day might be good too.

I'm not sure this is better than the Magister Sphinx + Dragon Fangs + Seize the Day combo. It allows for an effective maindeck Tinker package. Cunning Wish for Hidetsugo's Second Rite is also a good line of play. With the advent of no mana burn, it could even be top tier.

[Killane]

I think we get that most ways of cheating this guy into play will not draw us cards.

If Darksteel Colossus/Inkwell Leviathan/Sphinx/whatever drew you ten cards when you hardcast it, would we refuse to Tinker it into play?

no, but they have quite a few properties that this guy does not have:

protection/shroud/indestructilble - you don'texpend a bunch of resources on them only to have them die to any random removal spell or even a team of zombie blockers from dredge - this is the most valid reason not to run him - yes amazing if he attacks, but that's a big if, especially since thsi current meta has lots of creatures and therefore lots of kill spells

and if they kill him, they also shut you out from - not really a great thing for the kind of decks that want tis sort of monster

evasion/trample - you can chump this guy with any random ground pounder. yes if he attacks the defender has bigger issues to worry about than 12 life, but the point is still valid

[EnialisLiadon]

My point is being missed.

Obviously he's not an artifact and can't be Tinkered.  I'm just saying that a 12/12 dude who forces an opponent to sacrifice 4 permanents a turn is pretty crazy and might be worth cheating into play (probably not), even if you're not triggering the Tidings.

That said, I think Tinker > Show and Tell.  And Iona/Hellkite > Butcher, as far as Oath is concerned.  So I don't think the Butcher will do much in vintage.

In any case, I wasn't really trying to say anything profound, just expressing annoyance that "you still won't draw 4 cards" keeps being repeated whenever a method that doesn't involve casting him is proposed.  We get it already.

[Cruel Ultimatum]

If he drew when he came into play, I'd play him in Oath, but he doesn't so he doesn't make the cut

i think it can have a shot in oath as it works like blessing if goes to graveyard...

You don't draw the cards, blessing doesn't have any correlation to this card. If you are just trying to win as fast as possible, dragon overlords are just better, otherwise iona/terrastadon is better.

[Troy_Costisick]

What about Oath decks using Dragon's Breath to give him haste?  Would that be viable?

[Blue Lotus]

No because you wouldn't get to draw cards, and he would only have haste 50% of the time.

Edit - if the deck wasn't completely reliant on metalworker, using this as a draw engine that happens to be a finisher would be great.  Especially since drawing cards is awesome for a metalworker.  If countered of removed, this still has insane value and good god if you get to untap.  

[Diakonov]

What about Oath decks using Dragon's Breath to give him haste?  Would that be viable?

I think this shell would be better: http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=38209.0

[The M.E.T.H.O.D]

RUN! IT'S HUGE!

[Cruel Ultimatum]

What about Oath decks using Dragon's Breath to give him haste?  Would that be viable?

I think this shell would be better: http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=38209.0

Considering that you shuffle your graveyard into your library, he may not be the greatest addition to that deck.

[LotusHead]

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/396

Code:

Kozilek, Butcher of Truth {10}
Legendary Creature -Eldrazi
Mythic Rare
When you cast Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, draw four cards.
Annihilator 4 (When this creature attacks, the defending player sacrifices 4 permenants)
When Kozilek is put into a graveyard from anywere, it's owner shuffles his or her graveyard into their library.
12/12

holy hell.... Well, Oath has a new toy.  Probobly stax too.  wow... just fucking wow...  That annihilator effect baffles me...

edit: on second look i realized he not good for stax since not an artifact.  he is colorless though.

I just noticed the WHEN clause on the graveyard thing. It's triggered, and not a replacement effect.
it DOES hit the grave at some point, and can be NECROMANCY'd then don the LIGHTNING GREAVES!

[Diakonov]

What about Oath decks using Dragon's Breath to give him haste?  Would that be viable?

I think this shell would be better: http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=38209.0

Considering that you shuffle your graveyard into your library, he may not be the greatest addition to that deck.

Heh...right.