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« on: March 01, 2010, 01:42:11 am »

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/396

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Kozilek, Butcher of Truth {10}
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When you cast Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, draw four cards.
Annihilator 4 (When this creature attacks, the defending player sacrifices 4 permenants)
When Kozilek is put into a graveyard from anywere, it's owner shuffles his or her graveyard into their library.
12/12

holy hell.... Well, Oath has a new toy.  Probobly stax too.  wow... just fucking wow...  That annihilator effect baffles me...

edit: on second look i realized he not good for stax since not an artifact.  he is colorless though.
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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2010, 02:12:38 am »

I hate that every new set brings with it more keywords.

I wonder if the art extending into the borders is because the card is a flagship card of the set, or if this will become a precedent for mythics or legendary mythics.

As for the actual card, the first ability is obviously worthless since we'll almost never hardcast him.  As for his second ability, isn't Sundering Titan better against most decks?  It's an immediate effect, you choose the lands getting blown up, and it'll trigger again if they bounce it.  The Butcher has to stick around to attack.  Admittedly, it'll kill more things (both in quantity and in types of cards), but waiting a turn before it has any effect is rough.  12/12 is certainly bigger than 11/11, but lack of trample is lame.
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2010, 02:28:50 am »

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/396

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Kozilek, Butcher of Truth {10}
Legendary Creature -Eldrazi
Mythic Rare
When you cast Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, draw four cards.
Annihilator 4 (When this creature attacks, the defending player sacrifices 4 permenants)
When Kozilek is put into a graveyard from anywere, it's owner shuffles his or her graveyard into their library.
12/12

holy hell.... Well, Oath has a new toy.  Probobly stax too.  wow... just fucking wow...  That annihilator effect baffles me...

edit: on second look i realized he not good for stax since not an artifact.  he is colorless though.

He's good with METALWORKERS! And Lightning Greaves!

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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2010, 02:35:21 am »

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/396

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Kozilek, Butcher of Truth {10}
Legendary Creature -Eldrazi
Mythic Rare
When you cast Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, draw four cards.
Annihilator 4 (When this creature attacks, the defending player sacrifices 4 permenants)
When Kozilek is put into a graveyard from anywere, it's owner shuffles his or her graveyard into their library.
12/12

holy hell.... Well, Oath has a new toy.  Probobly stax too.  wow... just fucking wow...  That annihilator effect baffles me...

edit: on second look i realized he not good for stax since not an artifact.  he is colorless though.

He's good with METALWORKERS! And Lightning Greaves!



Could you imagine that happening?  T1 your opponent goes Shop, Worker.  T2, this guy, greaves, *DREAMCRUSH*  I think I would tear up a little bit.
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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2010, 04:01:20 am »

Its worth noting that this is card number 6/248 of RtE.  In world wake and zendikar White cards start the collector numbers and this guy is colorless.

 I smell a all Artifact/colorless set.

Anyways this guy isnt an artifact, but metalworker can still ramp him out.
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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2010, 08:36:32 am »

Its worth noting that this is card number 6/248 of RtE.  In world wake and zendikar White cards start the collector numbers and this guy is colorless.

 I smell a all Artifact/colorless set.

Anyways this guy isnt an artifact, but metalworker can still ramp him out.
As I said in the rumors/MTG.com thread:
There's an order to card numbering, something like the following:
White
Blue
Black
Red
Green
Multicolor Combinations
Lands
Colorless Artifacts (Esper/Borderposts show that color trumps artifact)

The number on this card just shows that Colorless Non-Artifact is a separate category that comes before White.
There are probably 10-15 Eldrazi cards in ROE, since within each category numbers are assigned alphabetically, and we see K = 6.

It is close to confirmed that the next block will be an artifact block (trademarked set names: Scars of Mirrodin, Mirrodin Pure, New Phyrexia, not necessarily in that order).  ROE will have some block-block synergies, but I highly doubt ROE is all colorless.
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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2010, 12:05:41 pm »

he'll be cute in oath
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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2010, 12:11:06 pm »

Its worth noting that this is card number 6/248 of RtE.  In world wake and zendikar White cards start the collector numbers and this guy is colorless.

 I smell a all Artifact/colorless set.

Anyways this guy isnt an artifact, but metalworker can still ramp him out.

Probably they just decided to put colorless ahead of white.

@DubDub: Nonbasic lands come after colorless artifacts, and basic lands last of all (in sets where they occur).
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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2010, 12:12:35 pm »

@DubDub: Nonbasic lands come after colorless artifacts, and basic lands last of all (in sets where they occur).
I'm sure that's right, I was writing mostly for illustrative purposes.
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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2010, 01:26:23 pm »

The Text wording doesn't make sense. I would expect either "when this comes into play" or "when this cip, if you cast it from your hand...". The "when you cast this" wording would have no effect, as the card would have to already be in play for it to trigger.
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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2010, 01:35:56 pm »

Tracer, if that were the case, creatures who can't be countered wouldn't work either. It seems just fine.
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« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2010, 03:14:57 pm »

Tracer, if that were the case, creatures who can't be countered wouldn't work either. It seems just fine.

if this is the case, then you'll draw even if the creature never hits the battlefield, which again seems unlikely. I'm not saying the spoiled creature is a fake, just that the wording seems unlikely to the point of incorrect.
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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2010, 03:38:09 pm »

Tracer, if that were the case, creatures who can't be countered wouldn't work either. It seems just fine.

if this is the case, then you'll draw even if the creature never hits the battlefield, which again seems unlikely. I'm not saying the spoiled creature is a fake, just that the wording seems unlikely to the point of incorrect.

The card was spoiled straight of the WotC website.  It is not fake, the wording is not incorrect.  The way the rules are constituted (as I understand them), you will indeed draw 4 card if you cast the big fella (barring Stifle-like shenanigans).
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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2010, 03:39:38 pm »

Tracer, if that were the case, creatures who can't be countered wouldn't work either. It seems just fine.

if this is the case, then you'll draw even if the creature never hits the battlefield, which again seems unlikely. I'm not saying the spoiled creature is a fake, just that the wording seems unlikely to the point of incorrect.
It's the same sort of trigger as Storm.  When you cast the card, the 'draw four' trigger goes on the stack.  This makes it more powerful when you cast the card, and less powerful when you cheat it into play (excepting "cast without paying it's mana cost").
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« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2010, 03:49:56 pm »

Tracer, if that were the case, creatures who can't be countered wouldn't work either. It seems just fine.

if this is the case, then you'll draw even if the creature never hits the battlefield, which again seems unlikely. I'm not saying the spoiled creature is a fake, just that the wording seems unlikely to the point of incorrect.

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« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2010, 06:30:15 pm »

I could see myself casting it with Channel. Even if it's countered, you still get 4 cards for 10 Life, all at once. Bob is better life-wise in most decks, but works in an incremental fashion.
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« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2010, 07:00:03 pm »

Of course, Bob does not attack for 10 and kill 4 permanents if you untap with him.
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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2010, 07:09:50 pm »

Would Metalworker + Urza's Incubator be a good start for a Vintage Eldrazi deck?
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« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2010, 07:32:12 pm »

Of course, Bob does not attack for 12 and kill 4 permanents if you untap with him.
Fixed.  Remember: power creep, the silent killer.
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« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2010, 11:53:38 pm »

Initially I was like, "Oh, he's effectively a one turn clock in Vintage. That's unique."
But then I remembered that elephants were printed in the last set.

If a way can be found to reliably cast this thing, then it's worth it.
But I don't see how that is going to happen with the available card pool.
I think this guy will need something new printed to see vintage play.
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« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2010, 12:10:55 am »

So I just scourged for ways to cheat him into being cast easily.

1) Maelstrom Angel.  Seems kinda bad way to do it, relies on playing a 5c creature, swinging with it, AND having the dude in your hand.  Seems unlikely in vintage.

2) 4x Eye of Ugin, 4x Urza's Incubator, Metalworker.  Seems like a bad choices especially since staff just wins.

3) Jhoire of the Ghitu.  Not really that bad, She can probobly be cast t2/t3 reliably.  The main issue is suspend takes 4 turns which can be a bit shakey.  However if you can slow the game down enough, once suspend wears off your in a good position with +4, in addition the Eldrazi has haste if it comes off suspend.  Seems like the best option.

4) Djinn of Wishes.  Issues with him is he cost what tez does, doesnt win on the turn after.  However it would allow for the big guy to be cheated into play.  Second best option id say.

5) Mind's desire.  Probobly unlikely.
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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2010, 01:21:15 am »

So I just scourged for ways to cheat him into being cast easily.

1) Maelstrom Angel.  Seems kinda bad way to do it, relies on playing a 5c creature, swinging with it, AND having the dude in your hand.  Seems unlikely in vintage.

2) 4x Eye of Ugin, 4x Urza's Incubator, Metalworker.  Seems like a bad choices especially since staff just wins.

3) Jhoire of the Ghitu.  Not really that bad, She can probobly be cast t2/t3 reliably.  The main issue is suspend takes 4 turns which can be a bit shakey.  However if you can slow the game down enough, once suspend wears off your in a good position with +4, in addition the Eldrazi has haste if it comes off suspend.  Seems like the best option.

4) Djinn of Wishes.  Issues with him is he cost what tez does, doesnt win on the turn after.  However it would allow for the big guy to be cheated into play.  Second best option id say.

5) Mind's desire.  Probobly unlikely.


Seems like all of these options are fairly week
How about instead
Of looking at
What permanents can be used to put 

A huge dude out, go for spells instead.
No offense but
Doing weak unsynergistic stuff like

Trying to stuff non-artifacts into a metalworker deck and just having them be
Entirely dead cards
Lingering in your hand seems really
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« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2010, 11:37:06 am »

So I just scourged for ways to cheat him into being cast easily.

1) Maelstrom Angel.  Seems kinda bad way to do it, relies on playing a 5c creature, swinging with it, AND having the dude in your hand.  Seems unlikely in vintage.

2) 4x Eye of Ugin, 4x Urza's Incubator, Metalworker.  Seems like a bad choices especially since staff just wins.

3) Jhoire of the Ghitu.  Not really that bad, She can probobly be cast t2/t3 reliably.  The main issue is suspend takes 4 turns which can be a bit shakey.  However if you can slow the game down enough, once suspend wears off your in a good position with +4, in addition the Eldrazi has haste if it comes off suspend.  Seems like the best option.

4) Djinn of Wishes.  Issues with him is he cost what tez does, doesnt win on the turn after.  However it would allow for the big guy to be cheated into play.  Second best option id say.

5) Mind's desire.  Probobly unlikely.

Windbrisk Heights & co. are probably better than any of those options.
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« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2010, 11:39:19 am »

So I just scourged for ways to cheat him into being cast easily.

1) Maelstrom Angel.  Seems kinda bad way to do it, relies on playing a 5c creature, swinging with it, AND having the dude in your hand.  Seems unlikely in vintage.

2) 4x Eye of Ugin, 4x Urza's Incubator, Metalworker.  Seems like a bad choices especially since staff just wins.

3) Jhoire of the Ghitu.  Not really that bad, She can probobly be cast t2/t3 reliably.  The main issue is suspend takes 4 turns which can be a bit shakey.  However if you can slow the game down enough, once suspend wears off your in a good position with +4, in addition the Eldrazi has haste if it comes off suspend.  Seems like the best option.

4) Djinn of Wishes.  Issues with him is he cost what tez does, doesnt win on the turn after.  However it would allow for the big guy to be cheated into play.  Second best option id say.

5) Mind's desire.  Probobly unlikely.


Seems like all of these options are fairly week
How about instead
Of looking at
What permanents can be used to put 

A huge dude out, go for spells instead.
No offense but
Doing weak unsynergistic stuff like

Trying to stuff non-artifacts into a metalworker deck and just having them be
Entirely dead cards
Lingering in your hand seems really
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That's cute.

But show and tell doesn't let you draw 4 cards with him
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« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2010, 02:48:39 pm »

OATH!!!!
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« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2010, 03:00:17 pm »

OATH!!!!

... doesn;t let you draw 4 cards with him
... he has no evasion
... his blow stuff up ability depends on the atatck phase instead of ETB, so worse than Terastodon.

This is not currently a Vintage-worth card. Perhaps enough stuff will come out in Rise to make him Vintage-worthy.

This card screams Type 4 at me like few other thigns I've ever seen.
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« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2010, 03:58:36 pm »

OATH!!!!

... doesn;t let you draw 4 cards with him
... he has no evasion
... his blow stuff up ability depends on the atatck phase instead of ETB, so worse than Terastodon.

This is not currently a Vintage-worth card. Perhaps enough stuff will come out in Rise to make him Vintage-worthy.

This card screams Type 4 at me like few other thigns I've ever seen.

Sneak Attack then?
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« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2010, 04:38:03 pm »

OATH!!!!

... doesn;t let you draw 4 cards with him
... he has no evasion
... his blow stuff up ability depends on the atatck phase instead of ETB, so worse than Terastodon.

This is not currently a Vintage-worth card. Perhaps enough stuff will come out in Rise to make him Vintage-worthy.

This card screams Type 4 at me like few other thigns I've ever seen.

Sneak Attack then?

you still don;t get the card draw, but Sneak Attack woudl be fun with this guy

Is sneak Vintage viable though in a world of Oath?
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« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2010, 07:08:48 pm »

If he drew when he came into play, I'd play him in Oath, but he doesn't so he doesn't make the cut
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« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2010, 07:15:41 pm »

If he drew when he came into play, I'd play him in Oath, but he doesn't so he doesn't make the cut

i think it can have a shot in oath as it works like blessing if goes to graveyard...
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