Landfall support - card discussion

[waffles]

I was thinking of how to abuse landfall but i only keep coming back to the 3 card combo of fastbond/scouting trek/horn of greed. which is fine for casual and maybe the slower formats but it just doesn't seem to pack the speed needed for vintage, at least i think so, i may be doing it wrong.  so i was looking towards blue for more of a control aspect i found these three cards might support me in getting lands into my hand, but i am running into the problem of getting them back down. i thought Oona's grace might help me out here for card draw in the event i cannot get them down.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=6078 (Mana Breach)

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=24597 (Overburden)

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=3063 (Storm Cauldron)

each, of them slows my opponent down at least one turn, the cauldron can be a bit more rough if paired with other cards.

[vassago]

Seriously?  Explain to me how you think is good.  Don't give me any rhetoric or bullshit, give me realistic scenarios of how any of this would ever work.

[meadbert]

Fastbond + Oboro, Palace in the Clouds.
Fastbond + Trade Routes.
2xExploration + Cloudstone Curio
Exploration + (Wild Growth or Utopia Sprawl) + Cloudstone Curio.

[DubDub]

Fastbond + Amulet of Vigor + Dakmor Salvage + Excavation

[TopSecret]

Crucible + Fastbond + Wasteland/any land that sacrifices

[vassago]

Fastbond + Amulet of Vigor + Dakmor Salvage + Excavation

Fastbond + Oboro, Palace in the Clouds.
Fastbond + Trade Routes.
2xExploration + Cloudstone Curio
Exploration + (Wild Growth or Utopia Sprawl) + Cloudstone Curio.

lol

Crucible + Fastbond + Wasteland/any land that sacrifices

that is some secret tech!

[ristoman]

Crucible + Fastbond + Wasteland/any land that sacrifices

I had a friend who tried to sneak Crucible + Fastbond + Zuran Orb into all of his green decks. Infinite Life + Mana.

[DubDub]

Crucible + Fastbond + Wasteland/any land that sacrifices

I had a friend who tried to sneak Crucible + Fastbond + Zuran Orb into all of his green decks. Infinite Life + Mana.

If you make it Dark Heart of the Wood and a Forest then you get to infinite life faster.  You also avoid Null Rod.

*When double checking the name of Dark Heart in gatherer I found out that it was reprinted in Ravnica, who knew?

[Purple Hat]

crucible+fastbond+glacial chasm is probably the best delay tactic.  You can just not pay the upkeep and play chasm out of your graveyard every turn with crucible.  the only thing it doesn't work against is tendrils decks.

[meadbert]

Just Glacial Chasm and Crucible leads to 1 life loss per turn if you alternate sacking it and paying the upkeep.

As a practical matter it loses to Vault/Key since even without Chasm removal your opponent can bounce/remove Crucible amass a hand of counters and then you either sack your Chasm or die to it.

[waffles]

Seriously?  Explain to me how you think is good.  Don't give me any rhetoric or bullshit, give me realistic scenarios of how any of this would ever work.

way not to be constructive, i thought it was good. After an explanation from a friend of mine, i have come to understand why it is bad, and never should leave the ranks of casual.

[vassago]

Seriously?  Explain to me how you think is good.  Don't give me any rhetoric or bullshit, give me realistic scenarios of how any of this would ever work.

way not to be constructive, i thought it was good. After an explanation from a friend of mine, i have come to understand why it is bad, and never should leave the ranks of casual.

Sorry if that seemed a bit harsh, but I figure if you could have elaborated in the way I asked, I would have given it a bit more credit than immediate dismissal and possibly entertained the idea. The constructive part is forcing you to explain it, and if you can't, then you know it isn't ideal.

[serracollector]

fastbond + umoro + lotus cobra = 19 mana if u have 20 life

if you have a Grazing Gladeheart you get infinite life and infintie mana.......

t2 ftw?