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« on: June 10, 2010, 01:57:02 am »

Preordain    U
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It's Serum Visions without being useless, its Strictly better than Sleight of Hand, its the new auto 4 of for blue decks in vintage.  If they are going to print a card like this I'd immagine that its either getting restricted, or Ponder is getting unrestircted.
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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2010, 03:01:37 am »

Preordain    U
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Scry 2, then draw a card.

It's Serum Visions without being useless, its Strictly better than Sleight of Hand, its the new auto 4 of for blue decks in vintage.  If they are going to print a card like this I'd immagine that its either getting resttricted, or Ponder is getting unrestircted.

Just what I was thinking, when is it getting restricted? Although I still like Ponder better, but after playing with this one and testing it out might change my mind.
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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2010, 03:39:51 am »

Guess its sorcery?
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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2010, 04:41:35 am »

This card is basically (at sorcery speed) on par with Ponder.

Maybe this is Wizards attempt to make nice on their June 2008 banninations.

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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2010, 06:46:38 am »

Theyll restrict it so we can have 4 restricted brainstorm spells.
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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2010, 09:01:04 am »

isnt scrye a price guide? 

seriously though, what is scry?
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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2010, 09:19:13 am »

This, "Scry Some Fifth Dawn instants and sorceries let you look at the top two cards of your library and then decide where you want to put them. You can put both cards on either the top or bottom of your library in any order, or you can put one card on the top and one on the bottom. In Fifth Dawn, the mechanic only let the caster look at the top two cards. At a later revision in Future Sight the template of Scry was changed so a number of cards specified with the ability would be viewed."
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2010, 11:30:49 am »

TBH, I'd rather they just unrestricted Ponder.

If the new card is just going to get restricted anyway*, it's cleaner to just unrestrict Ponder and reprint that in M11. If they're going to leave this as a 4 of, then the similarity in power level again means that Ponder could have just been unrestricted to accomplish the same thing.

One could argue that they wanted Vintage to gain access to exactly 1 more crappy Brainstorm analogue instead of 3, but that seems unlikely. In the case this stays unrestricted, those numbers become 4 copies instead of 3, in which case the "exact number" argument seems even more unlikely.


*All else aside, I would oppose restricting this on the grounds that attacking weak cards is counterintuitive. I can grasp it rationally, but I think that it still just doesn't sit right on a gut level. When there are simpler alternatives, I see no reason to take this path.
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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2010, 11:35:54 am »

Theyll restrict it so we can have 4 restricted brainstorm spells.

What is the 4th?  I can only think of brainstorm, ponder, and this card.
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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2010, 11:44:58 am »

Theyll restrict it so we can have 4 restricted brainstorm spells.

What is the 4th?  I can only think of brainstorm, poner, and this card.
Maybe Recall?
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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2010, 11:58:42 am »

maybe not this one
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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2010, 12:03:24 pm »

This card won't be restircted.  Anyways, what cards would you cut to play this in a blue deck?   All the cards you have are already better.   See Beyond didn't live up to the hype either.
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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2010, 12:15:18 pm »

I will be playing four of these.  I'll worry about the deck later.
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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2010, 12:31:06 pm »

I will be playing four of these.  I'll worry about the deck later.

Yup, assuming that Brainstorm and Ponder stay restricted, I'll be using at least 3 of these.  I have a feeling they'll take Ponder off the list coming out.  Do you think this card is better than Ponder?

Advantages of Ponder:  Digs 4 cards deep, this card digs 3 deep.
Avantages of Preordain:  You can snag 1 card and not have to draw into another.

I think Ponder gets the nod since its better at grabbing a turn 1 Force of Will.  The downside is that if you turn 1 Ponder with a fetch in hand, you will be drawing 2 of the cards before you can use the shuffle effect for the next turn.
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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2010, 12:42:23 pm »

Theyll restrict it so we can have 4 restricted brainstorm spells.

What is the 4th?  I can only think of brainstorm, ponder, and this card.

Portent, obv.
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« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2010, 12:46:18 pm »

I will be playing four of these.  I'll worry about the deck later.

Yup, assuming that Brainstorm and Ponder stay restricted, I'll be using at least 3 of these.  I have a feeling they'll take Ponder off the list coming out.  Do you think this card is better than Ponder?

Advantages of Ponder:  Digs 4 cards deep, this card digs 2 deep.
Avantages of Preordain:  You can snag 1 card and not have to draw into another.

I think Ponder gets the nod since its better at grabbing a turn 1 Force of Will.  The downside is that if you turn 1 Ponder with a fetch in hand, you will be drawing 2 of the cards before you can use the shuffle effect for the next turn.

Actually, the new card digs 3 deep while Ponder digs 4* deep (asterisk necessary because you might hit one of the first three cards after shuffling). In both cases, you won't know what the last card will be.
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« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2010, 12:50:29 pm »

I will be playing four of these.  I'll worry about the deck later.

Yup, assuming that Brainstorm and Ponder stay restricted, I'll be using at least 3 of these.  I have a feeling they'll take Ponder off the list coming out.  Do you think this card is better than Ponder?

Advantages of Ponder:  Digs 4 cards deep, this card digs 2 deep.
Avantages of Preordain:  You can snag 1 card and not have to draw into another.

I think Ponder gets the nod since its better at grabbing a turn 1 Force of Will.  The downside is that if you turn 1 Ponder with a fetch in hand, you will be drawing 2 of the cards before you can use the shuffle effect for the next turn.

Actually, the new card digs 3 deep while Ponder digs 4* deep (asterisk necessary because you might hit one of the first three cards after shuffling). In both cases, you won't know what the last card will be.

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« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2010, 05:14:23 pm »

why oh why couldn't this have been an instant? Why do you hate card draw wizards why?
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« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2010, 05:44:16 pm »

why oh why couldn't this have been an instant? Why do you hate card draw wizards why?

True, but it's still pretty good
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« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2010, 06:40:24 pm »

why oh why couldn't this have been an instant? Why do you hate card draw wizards why?
I'd hazard it's for the same reason they only print shitty tutors these days. Your odds of seeing a given card go way up when you add draw to your list. The power of card selection is unmatched relative to any other mechanic I can think of.
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« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2010, 03:35:47 pm »

Well, this at instant speed would be strictly better than Opt, which is not a bad card in itself.

It's still very respectable at sorcery speed.
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« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2010, 04:03:38 pm »

Well, I think this is a pretty exciting development.  If Ponder and Brianstorm were too broken, this is the obvious next step down before getting to Sleight of Hand.  I still think that See Beyond has potential in Oath decks and maybe others.  But Preordain is sure to be taking up deck slots in the near future.
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« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2010, 11:29:59 am »

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« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2010, 07:56:59 pm »

Do i smell GAT?

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« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2010, 10:54:03 pm »

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« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2010, 11:18:49 am »

With Gush still restricted, he'll need it, no?
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« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2010, 10:21:42 am »

This card won't be restircted.  Anyways, what cards would you cut to play this in a blue deck?   All the cards you have are already better.   See Beyond didn't live up to the hype either.

I agree that it shouldn't be restricted, but if Ponder is restricted it just makes logical sense that this should be as well.  Though honestly, I think Ponder should be unrestricted.  Hopefully, they'll give Preordain the chance that Ponder never had and then they'll realize that restricting Ponder was unnecessary as well.

As for this card seeing play, I think it'll see some play.  But you're right that there just isn't enough room in a deck to pack 4x of these as a general case.  Maybe if someone wanted to revisit pitch long or something like that.  Maybe TPS.  Not sure.
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« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2010, 11:31:07 am »

I'm surprised that they would print this card, it's just a hair worse than ponder IMO.
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