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Check the new Mox Opal Art- confirmed on MTGsalvation. Let's hope it's playable 
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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2010, 11:52:19 am » |
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Wow, that's beautiful. I read that there's a rumor of cycle of Leyline-like Moxen for SoM. This doesn't confirm that, but wow, what a gorgeous card.
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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2010, 01:43:30 pm » |
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The art is ugly as hell, but moxen are generally awesome.
Aside from the two UN moxen every single one has/is played.
If they are leyline moxen, then i wonder what their casting cost is? Suspend moxen is also an option.
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2010, 01:48:25 pm » |
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It might have no casting cost. Either it's in your opening hand and it's awesome, or it's not and it's useless. That would make you think.
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2010, 01:55:33 pm » |
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I doubt that this card would be part of a cycle of leyline-moxen. I think the opening-hand referencing 'mystery things' is something different, though that's just a completely unsubstantiated gut feeling I have.
This probably has a non-zero nominal cost, but some block mechanic cost reduction (like Affinity, or Delve) that opens the possibility of being free. Diamond and Chrome have the 'actually cost zero, with a drawback' covered pretty well.
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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2010, 02:04:31 pm » |
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It could be discard an artifact, and add 1 colorless though...That's different from chrome and diamond...Although that would be the first colorless mox.
Edit: Probably "Exile" instead of discard.
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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2010, 02:13:03 pm » |
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It could be discard an artifact, and add 1 colorless though...That's different from chrome and diamond...Although that would be the first colorless mox.
That seems logical. Colorless mana is the one thing they haven't done yet.
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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2010, 03:28:39 pm » |
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It could be discard an artifact, and add 1 colorless though...That's different from chrome and diamond...Although that would be the first colorless mox.
That seems logical. Colorless mana is the one thing they haven't done yet. But the rainbow of colors in the middle of the mox makes me think it will be a 5-color mox of some sort
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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2010, 04:04:50 pm » |
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It could be discard an artifact, and add 1 colorless though...That's different from chrome and diamond...Although that would be the first colorless mox. That seems logical. Colorless mana is the one thing they haven't done yet. But the rainbow of colors in the middle of the mox makes me think it will be a 5-color mox of some sort Agreed. I expect this will produce colored mana.
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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2010, 04:11:50 pm » |
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purple mana!!!!!
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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2010, 04:38:09 pm » |
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It might have no casting cost. Either it's in your opening hand and it's awesome, or it's not and it's useless. That would make you think. This was my first inclination as well. Or maybe it *cannot* be played on turn one, or two, like that angel i forgot the name of. But, since it's mox, i am sure it's going to be played in T1  .
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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2010, 05:21:35 pm » |
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The leyline moxen seem very possible. From MaRo's article yesterday: Draw #3
Trivia Question: How many Magic cards have the words "opening hand" in their rules text?
When you have your answer, click here.
The answer is ten, only nine of which, by the way, are Leylines:
What's the tenth card? Gemstone Caverns
But wait, isn't there another card that has an ability it can use in your opening hand? Why yes, there is—Serum Powder from Darksteel. Serum Powder
Serum Powder specifically talks about mulliganing (the only card currently in Magic that does) so the template just asks for it to be in your hand as no other time but your opening hand would matter, so it didn't need to be spelled out.
If I asked this trivia question a year from now, what would the answer be?
Fifteen.
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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2010, 07:25:40 pm » |
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It would be broken yet awesome if it was simply a colorless mox. straight up. /dream
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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2010, 07:29:39 pm » |
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It would be broken yet awesome if it was simply a colorless mox. straight up. /dream
lol @ that in t2. Turn 2 Jace every game. lmao
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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2010, 07:32:31 pm » |
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It would be broken yet awesome if it was simply a colorless mox. straight up. /dream
lol @ that in t2. Turn 2 Jace every game. lmao Indeed, and thus it will probably not be that. It will most probably be some sunburst crap given its "opal" designation.
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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2010, 08:07:14 pm » |
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It would be broken yet awesome if it was simply a colorless mox. straight up. /dream
Yea, I've always wanted them to print something like like Mox Granite Tap for 1 colorless deal you 1 damage. Not that it will ever happen, but if it did, welcome to the Restricted List haha.
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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2010, 08:24:48 pm » |
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It would be broken yet awesome if it was simply a colorless mox. straight up. /dream
isn't there a mox crystal that they unofficially printed for the 5 color prism format or whatever? I know I have seen it at larger events for sale in dealers show cases.
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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2010, 09:36:29 pm » |
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It might have no casting cost. Either it's in your opening hand and it's awesome, or it's not and it's useless. That would make you think. This was my first inclination as well. Or maybe it *cannot* be played on turn one, or two, like that angel i forgot the name of. Serra Avenger's drawback would be interesting. Still amazing if it costs zero and taps for  though. But, since it's mox, i am sure it's going to be played in T1  . Just like Chrome Mox and Mox Diamond?
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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2010, 11:44:04 pm » |
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Opal is a mineraloid gel which is deposited at a relatively low temperature and may occur in the fissures of almost any kind of rock, being most commonly found with limonite, sandstone, rhyolite, marl and basalt. The word opal comes from the Latin opalus, by Greek ὀπάλλιος opallios.
The water content is usually between three and ten percent, but can be as high as twenty percent. Opal ranges from clear through white, gray, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, magenta, rose, pink, slate, olive, brown, and black. Of these hues, the reds against black are the most rare, whereas white and greens are the most common. These color variations are a function of growth size into the red and infrared wavelengths. Opal is Australia's national gemstone.
The name Opal seems to indicate some kind of multicolor Mox. Since R&D has become quite apt at making cards that are not absurdly broken, we can only suppose it will have built-in card disadvantage, or a severe drawback or limitation (see : "fixed" Ancestral, AKA Shared Discoveries). I also suspect this may end at Mythic rarity, just like Lotus Cobra, Time Warp or Time Reversal (Shared Discoveries was common, though).
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« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2010, 06:09:43 am » |
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The leyline moxen seem very possible. From MaRo's article yesterday: Draw #3
Trivia Question: How many Magic cards have the words "opening hand" in their rules text?
When you have your answer, click here.
The answer is ten, only nine of which, by the way, are Leylines:
What's the tenth card? Gemstone Caverns
But wait, isn't there another card that has an ability it can use in your opening hand? Why yes, there is—Serum Powder from Darksteel. Serum Powder
Serum Powder specifically talks about mulliganing (the only card currently in Magic that does) so the template just asks for it to be in your hand as no other time but your opening hand would matter, so it didn't need to be spelled out.
If I asked this trivia question a year from now, what would the answer be?
Fifteen.
This makes me think there will be 5 Moxes released (with drawback), but they will each tap for two colors a piece. Maybe the other 5 will be released a year or two later. Opal Mox Turquoise Mox Lapis Lazuli Mox Jasper Mox Tiger's Eye Mox Tourmaline Mox Malachite Mox Rose Quartz Mox Obsidian Mox Amber Mox Amethyst Mox Varisite mox Jade Mox Topaz Mox Garnet Mox Obsidian Mox Agate mox These would be some examples of names. The other option may be something with a drawback where you discard a card of one color and the Mox could produce a different color of some allowed choices or something (from a limited spectrum; perhaps allied colors). There's a lot of design space to work with. Go nuts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemstone
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« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2010, 06:33:44 am » |
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My guess: Either a cycle of leyline-esce moxen OR Mox Opal X Spend only colored mana on X  Add one mana of any color that was spent to pay for Mox Opal to your mana pool.
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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2010, 08:07:19 am » |
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My guess: Either a cycle of leyline-esce moxen OR Mox Opal X Spend only colored mana on X  Add one mana of any color that was spent to pay for Mox Opal to your mana pool. Isn't that better than Llanowar Elves in pretty much every situation (except being cascaded into, which won't happen in Standard due to rotation)? It also seems 'too hard' to keep track of (not speaking for Vintage players, but in general). There are rumors that Sunburst may come back, so: Mox Opal  Artifact Sunburst.  : Add  to your mana pool, activate this ability only if Mox Opal has two or more charge counters on it.  : Add 1 mana of any color to your mana pool, activate this ability only if Mox Opal has four or more charge counters on it. It's a bad mindstone at  = 2, but with some upside. If there's support for adding charge counters in the set/block then the above may have a chance. If it's a mythic rare then the charge counter requirements for those abilities could be one and two. What about some kind of reverse-sphere? Mox Opal  Legendary Artifact Spells you control cost  less to cast.
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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2010, 09:37:32 am » |
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There are rumors that Sunburst may come back, so: Sunburst does seem likely given the variety of Opal colors. Not sure how they'd do it mechanically.
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« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2010, 11:47:12 am » |
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If the hints regarding new Leyline-esque cards have anything to do with this alleged cycle of new mana producers then I'm betting they are about on par with Gemstone Caverns.
To be honest I get a little sad at the thought of so much potential for action before the game even starts. One can already drop enchantments and land cards into play before turn 0, just how much random shit do I get to plop onto the battlefield before it just feels absurd? It's sort of like how 'removed from the game' is 'exile' now; that little change sort of fucked with its functionality a little, in regard to things like Wishes, etc... Wizards finally went "Welp, I guess calling it "rfg" is dumb because clearly we interact with it all the time, so we'll tinker with it a little, call it Exile and just be honest with ourselves and our players"... so like, when the game before the game becomes part of the game, what happens to that part of the game? Aaaaaaah
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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2010, 12:33:12 pm » |
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Moxen have always been free, if they make it not potentially cost 0 then it wouldn't really be a mox...
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« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2010, 12:47:24 pm » |
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Moxen have always been free, if they make it not potentially cost 0 then it wouldn't really be a mox...
I totally agree, and was just about to post the same thing. I am willing to bet on a 0-cc Mox Opal. The only Mox that hasn't cost 0 is Mox Lotus (15-cc). I'm sure it will have some significant drawback, though. I'm guessing something close to Chrome Mox (maybe Imprint an artifact instead of a colored spell).
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« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2010, 12:55:46 pm » |
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Moxen have always been free, if they make it not potentially cost 0 then it wouldn't really be a mox...
I totally agree, and was just about to post the same thing. I am willing to bet on a 0-cc Mox Opal. The only Mox that hasn't cost 0 is Mox Lotus (15-cc). I'm sure it will have some significant drawback, though. I'm guessing something close to Chrome Mox (maybe Imprint an artifact instead of a colored spell). I like the idea of a mox that costs 0 but has Delve 3. I think someone suggested that a while back. EDIT: I meant a Mox that would normally cost 3, but costs 0 if you Delve for 3 first. -Storm
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« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2010, 01:18:46 pm » |
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Moxen have always been free, if they make it not potentially cost 0 then it wouldn't really be a mox...
I totally agree, and was just about to post the same thing. I am willing to bet on a 0-cc Mox Opal. The only Mox that hasn't cost 0 is Mox Lotus (15-cc). I'm sure it will have some significant drawback, though. I'm guessing something close to Chrome Mox (maybe Imprint an artifact instead of a colored spell). I like the idea of a mox that costs 0 but has Delve 3. I think someone suggested that a while back. EDIT: I meant a Mox that would normally cost 3, but costs 0 if you Delve for 3 first. -Storm I still think they would need to put a 0 cc on it for it to have the Mox feel. That doesn't prevent them from addind "as an additional cost to playing Mox Opal, remove 5 cards in your graveyard from the game". Or any other number that makes sense, 5 seems not too farfetched. Also, how about it having sacrifice a land as an additional cost? Like Chrome and Diamond, it trades early ressources for speed.
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« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2010, 01:49:08 pm » |
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It occurs to me that this could just be a functional reprint of Mox Diamond. I'm not saying I expect it to be, and I certainly hope it isn't. Just sayin, though.
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« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2010, 01:59:01 pm » |
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Moxen have always been free, if they make it not potentially cost 0 then it wouldn't really be a mox...
Right, just like all Loti.
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