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Sol Medallion  Legendary Artifact Spells you control cost up to  less to cast. Almost as broken as my card draw spells. And pretty good with them! I play Emerald Medallion in my Radha EDH deck (Loam for  ? yes please), and Sapphire Medallion in my Wydwen EDH deck. They are both bombs. I was pretty much trying to come up with the perfect EDH card.
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Chess really changed when they decided to stop making Queens and Bishops. I'm just glad I got my copies before the prices went crazy.
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Sol Medallion  Legendary Artifact Spells you control cost up to  less to cast. Almost as broken as my card draw spells. And pretty good with them! I play Emerald Medallion in my Radha EDH deck (Loam for  ? yes please), and Sapphire Medallion in my Wydwen EDH deck. They are both bombs. I was pretty much trying to come up with the perfect EDH card. Sapphire medallion was really really good back in the day...Try searching for kai budde's UR Trix deck. And this thing is like a medallion for all your cards.
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« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2010, 03:56:23 am » |
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Sol Medallion  Legendary Artifact Spells you control cost up to  less to cast. Almost as broken as my card draw spells. And pretty good with them! I play Emerald Medallion in my Radha EDH deck (Loam for  ? yes please), and Sapphire Medallion in my Wydwen EDH deck. They are both bombs. I was pretty much trying to come up with the perfect EDH card. Sapphire medallion was really really good back in the day...Try searching for kai budde's UR Trix deck. And this thing is like a medallion for all your cards. Yep, that's the point.
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Vintage is a lovely format, it's too bad so few people can play because the supply of power is so small.
Chess really changed when they decided to stop making Queens and Bishops. I'm just glad I got my copies before the prices went crazy.
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« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2010, 08:06:38 pm » |
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I'll add another: Sol Rod  Legendary Artifact  : add  to your mana pool. It's been so long since we've had any decent artifact acceleration printed. Even this thing isn't all that good. But I'd settle for it just to add something else to the repertoire, especially in Legacy.
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« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2010, 08:37:19 am » |
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Drop of Energy Flux  Enchantment At the beginning of your upkeep, destroy the artifact with the least casting cost. It can’t be regenerated. If two or more artifacts are tied for least casting cost you choose one of them. When there are no artifacts in play, sacrifice Drop of Energy Flux . or Temporary Energy Flux  Enchantment All artifacts have "At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice this artifact unless you pay 2." When there are no artifacts in play, sacrifice Temporary Energy Flux . or Blue Serenity  Enchantment - Artifact At the beginning of your upkeep, destroy all artifacts They can't be regenerated.
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« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2010, 09:03:54 am » |
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Blue Serenity Enchantment - Artifact At the beginning of your upkeep, destroy all artifacts They can't be regenerated. That would be more in flavor as a red card.
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« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2010, 09:08:27 am » |
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Blue Serenity Enchantment - Artifact At the beginning of your upkeep, destroy all artifacts They can't be regenerated. That would be more in flavor as a red card. Wish list.
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« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2010, 12:10:40 pm » |
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« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2010, 12:27:20 pm » |
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Blue Serenity Enchantment - Artifact At the beginning of your upkeep, destroy all artifacts They can't be regenerated. That would be more in flavor as a red card. Wish list. Ha! You got me.
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« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2010, 12:40:57 pm » |
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The only thing that can save this format.
Instant 0 Split Second Absolute zero: This card costs zero, even if other cards would make it cost more. Exile target Artifact, Creature, or Planeswalker. Exhile this spell upon Resolution. 0: Return this card from your graveyard to your hand. Play this ability at Instant Speed as if it had Split Second. This card has Shroud as long as it's in the graveyard.
Must..get..playset now!!  I hope to finally see some exile tutors..or something like: Eternity Rift  Instant Split second Delve Choose  card(s) that are exiled. Its owner shuffles them into his or her library. Choose  card(s) that are exiled. Until the end of your next turn You may cast the chosen card(s) without paying their mana cost. If any of the chosen cards you cast this way would be sent to any graveyard, shuffle them into their owners library instead. "Beings of the rifts are not natural. No longer will these abominations tread upon the body of Gaea." -Riftsweeper
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« Reply #41 on: September 01, 2010, 02:55:29 pm » |
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« Reply #42 on: September 01, 2010, 03:06:08 pm » |
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Much like humanity itself.
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« Reply #43 on: September 01, 2010, 04:58:00 pm » |
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Silver Gear -  Artifact  : Add  to your mana pool. Put Silver Gear on top of its owner's library.
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« Reply #45 on: September 01, 2010, 07:02:14 pm » |
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Any creature that looks roughly like so:  C, 1/3, sac: destroy target artifact (or enchantment) Or Creaturesworn Canonist,  2/2 Each player who has cast a noncreature spell this turn can’t cast additional noncreature spells.
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« Reply #46 on: September 01, 2010, 07:30:49 pm » |
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Since we're all dreaming...
Sphere of Amethyst - 3
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« Reply #47 on: September 01, 2010, 07:41:40 pm » |
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Realistically, this would help the format.
Leyline of the Cleansing Seal 1GW Enchantment If Leyline of the Cleansing Seal is in your hand when you start the game, you may start with leyline of the Cleansing Seal in play.
*shroud* Exile Leyline of the Cleansing Seal: Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
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« Reply #48 on: September 01, 2010, 11:10:30 pm » |
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Realistically, this would help the format.
Leyline of the Cleansing Seal 1GW Enchantment If Leyline of the Cleansing Seal is in your hand when you start the game, you may start with leyline of the Cleansing Seal in play.
*shroud* Exile Leyline of the Cleansing Seal: Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
I think that this should destroy up to 2 target artifacts and/or enchantments. Null Stone -3
Flash When <this> comes into play, counter target spell. tap; add 1 to your mana pool.
HOLY FUCKING SHIT THAT WOULD BE GOOD! Too bad that it would be too good. Every deck that can produce 3 colorless mana would run 4.
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« Reply #49 on: September 02, 2010, 01:41:35 am » |
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Mini Annihilator (smokestack on a stick) 3 1/1 Annihilator 1
Balancing Stone 3 Shroud 3, tap: Choose a permanent type, if an opponent controls more permanents of that type than you, they must sacrifice one permanent of that type.
Burning Sunlight 1 tap: add 1 to your mana pool, lose 1 life.
Imminent Domain 3UB You gain control of all opponents artifacts in play, then lose life equal to the total casting cost of those artifacts.
Bull in a China Store 4R Bull in a China store costs 2 less for each artifact opponent controls. (negates sphere effects) Destroy all artifacts.
Big Bully 4 4/5 Trample, Haste
Natural Domain GG During each players upkeep they lose 1 life for each non-basic land and artifact they control. Sacrifice Natural Domain if no artifacts or basic lands are in play.
The Human Condition U Instant Split second Counter target activated ability, if ~this~ is used on a planes walker, if it were to gain X counter it instead lose X counters. If it were to lose X counter, it instead gains X counters.
Dance of Destruction B target player discards 1 card, then randomly discards a second card. You lose 2 life.
Equal Rights B look at target players hand and choose a non-creature permanent, that player must discard that card. If the card chosen is an artifact, instead choose 2 non-land permanents, that player discards both.
Broken MUD land (can't think of a better name) land Tap: Add 2 to your mana pool, this mana may only be used to cast artifacts or use artifact abilities.
Magus of the Rod 1G (insert null rod text here) 2/2
Pace Setter Elf 1/1 If pace setter is tapped by target permanent, sacrifice Pace Setter and destroy that permanent. If pace setter is sacrificed due to a permanent of ability from an opponent, exile that permanent or spell.
Mana Over Matter GR Enchantment During your upkeep destroy target artifact with casting cost equal to or less than the number of lands you control.
Sphere of Pain 2 At the beginning of the draw step, each player draws an additional card, then loses 1 life for each card in hand.
I don't think any are "too" broken, and would love to see any of them become real.
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I don't think any are "too" broken, and would love to see any of them become real. MOST of them are too broken to print. I wasn't going to say anything, especially since everyone is going nuts with their suggestions, but your comment quoted above was just too much for me to ignore.
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I suppose it's mostly the thought that this format is just one big Mistake; and not even a very sophisticated one at that.
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Some of those are too broken to print. Especially the one mana Hymn to Tourach.
Just wanted to point out that your 'The Human Condition' wouldn't work as intended, because changing loyalty counters is a cost of activating their abilities, not an effect. You could have it say something like: "if used on a planeswalker card's acitvated ability, remove three Loyalty counters from that planeswalker."
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Vintage is a lovely format, it's too bad so few people can play because the supply of power is so small.
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Well, its not a 1 mana Hymn its a 1 mana stupor with 2 life loss. How is that better than thoughseize? My understanding was giving your opponent the choice of discard or random discard were both "bad".
Balancing Stone isn't broken, and Null rod Elf isn't either.
Burning sunlight seems even to me. 1 mana CC adds only 1 colorless, and u lose a life. Its not better than Birds or Elve's.
Imminent Domain is so high CC I figured it would not in any way be "broken".
Bull in a china store seems realistic. It could be 6R or even 8R instead I spose.
The rest, eh, maybe too broken, but if ALL were printed, I think it would be an equlibrium of power between Artifact decks and non artifact decks.
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« Reply #53 on: September 02, 2010, 03:06:21 pm » |
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Since we're all dreaming...
Sphere of Amethyst - 3
All non-creature spells cost at least 3.
how bout this one: SunburstSphere Artifact X Sunburst Each spell costs an addition 1 to play for each sunburst counter. Welcome to my fantasy!
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« Reply #54 on: September 02, 2010, 03:26:33 pm » |
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@ Serracollector: I'm not going to debate card by card why they're busted. This isn't the place for it. As for your balancing philosophy... well, let's just say I disagree and leave it at that.
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« Reply #55 on: September 02, 2010, 04:39:31 pm » |
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Merfolk Spirit Guide 2U Creature-Merfolk Wizard If Merfolk Spirit Guide is in your hand, you may exile it to add  to your mana pool. 2/2
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« Reply #56 on: September 02, 2010, 07:05:21 pm » |
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super legendary welder -R legendary creature- goblin wizard shroud welder ability 0/1
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« Reply #57 on: September 02, 2010, 11:19:55 pm » |
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Not broken, but still REALLY good. would get the ax in vintage. Balancing Stone 3 Shroud 3, tap: Choose a permanent type, if an opponent controls more permanents of that type than you, they must sacrifice one permanent of that type.
not bad, might be possible to get printed Burning Sunlight 1 tap: add 1 to your mana pool, lose 1 life.
I dont know about this one. Probably see play in standard and extended but, legacy and vintage no. Imminent Domain 3UB You gain control of all opponents artifacts in play, then lose life equal to the total casting cost of those artifacts.
The drawback is too high. Bull in a China Store 4R Bull in a China store costs 2 less for each artifact opponent controls. (negates sphere effects) Destroy all artifacts.
If by "negates sphere effects" you mean that it just costs 2 less for each artifact your opponent controls, this does not negate sphere effects. The order of layering is, reducing (affinity), addition (Sphere of Resistance), cost setting (trinisphere). If you meant for this spell to be unaffected by spheres it would have to say, "Bull in a China Store is unaffected by cost raising and cost setting abilities." Big Bully 4 4/5 Trample, Haste
Too good. if it did not have haste it might see print. Natural Domain GG During each players upkeep they lose 1 life for each non-basic land and artifact they control. Sacrifice Natural Domain if no artifacts or basic lands are in play.
This could get printed, but not for  The Human Condition U Instant Split second Counter target activated ability, if ~this~ is used on a planes walker, if it were to gain X counter it instead lose X counters. If it were to lose X counter, it instead gains X counters.
DubDub pointed out whats wrong with this card. Dance of Destruction B target player discards 1 card, then randomly discards a second card. You lose 2 life.
Better than Thoughtseize, duress, slightly worse than hymn. Random discard can be a game winner, especially if it hits a land or other early game stabilizer. Equal Rights B look at target players hand and choose a non-creature permanent, that player must discard that card. If the card chosen is an artifact, instead choose 2 non-land permanents, that player discards both.
Too good for  . Maybe  Broken MUD land (can't think of a better name) land Tap: Add 2 to your mana pool, this mana may only be used to cast artifacts or use artifact abilities.
I would probably run this over workshop. Ill leave it at that. Magus of the Rod 1G (insert null rod text here) 2/2
Maybe up the mana cost then it could get printed. Pace Setter Elf 1/1 If pace setter is tapped by target permanent, sacrifice Pace Setter and destroy that permanent. If pace setter is sacrificed due to a permanent of ability from an opponent, exile that permanent or spell.
Seems like it could be good and actually see print. Mana Over Matter GR Enchantment During your upkeep destroy target artifact with casting cost equal to or less than the number of lands you control.
Dont know what I think of this one. Sphere of Pain 2 At the beginning of the draw step, each player draws an additional card, then loses 1 life for each card in hand.
Maybe if this cost 1000. At  players would be dead in 3 turns.
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« Reply #58 on: September 03, 2010, 01:49:02 am » |
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Atog 1R 1/2 Creature -- Atog Sacrifice an artifact: Atog gets +2/+2 until end of turn.
Hopefully, this will be a Tribal block, with Atog as the central tribe. Hopefully.
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« Reply #59 on: September 03, 2010, 04:46:55 am » |
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Since we're all dreaming...
Sphere of Amethyst - 3
All non-creature spells cost at least 3.
how bout this one: SunburstSphere Artifact X Sunburst Each spell costs an addition 1 to play for each sunburst counter. Welcome to my fantasy! ] What about that if it cost  ? Or event,  ? That wouls be cool.
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