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« on: September 06, 2010, 11:13:51 pm » |
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This guy looks mildly promising. Seal of Cleansing on a 1/3 for a single workshop activation...why couldn't they have made viashino heretic replica????
That said, I am pleased that they aren't making colored artifacts(or haven't previewed them yet).
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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2010, 12:08:24 am » |
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Hey!!
Where did you see this spoiled card??? I couldn't find it on MTGsalvation!!!
It really looks promissing!!!
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Workshops SUCKS huh??? So why do you bother so much with them??? Why do you change so much your decks to beat them???
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2010, 12:15:25 am » |
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2010, 12:16:27 am » |
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 Looks sweet. Ugly activation cost, but still sweet.
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2010, 02:01:33 am » |
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This card is an amazing card in 5 color Stax. He can be welded back into play, or Unearthed. Better than ancient grudge or Nature's Claim, oh and it can deal damage, and block Confidants. I like it, a lot.
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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2010, 04:40:21 am » |
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For 3 mana I'm going to want a lot more out of a card. It works in 5c Stax and that's about it. Total meh. I hope the rest of the artifact hate in this set is way better than this.
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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2010, 06:02:06 am » |
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Sideboard card against oath.
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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2010, 06:08:42 am » |
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Sideboard card against oath.
 C'mon people what is this sh*t... Paying 3G to destroy target Artifact / Enchantment attached to a 1/3 artifact dork (irrelevant) is now being discussed as Vintage possible playable?? What is this 1995?! This card is borderline playable in 5c Stax (which itself is borderline playable) but beyond that it's absolutely crap. Sure you can deal with Oath, but Oath decks don't "Just Oath" nowadays, you have to deal with TV/Key, Tezz, Jace as well, Granted this "could" destroy all those but it's really really slow at what it does. Re-usability is next to useless as nobody is gonna walk into an active welder + this in the yard with his second or third Oath... they'll just Kill the Welder and then Orchard + Oath or something.
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« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2010, 08:15:45 am » |
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Re-usability is next to useless as nobody is gonna walk into an active welder + this in the yard with his second or third Oath... they'll just Kill the Welder and then Orchard + Oath or something. You clearly haven't played me. I laugh in the face of danger or obvious bad plays. That being said, I *REALLY* thought the activation cost would be just sacrifice.  That would have made this card so great, must like Mindlock Orb *could* have been great.
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« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2010, 10:28:20 am » |
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He's Nature's Claim 9-12 in 5C Stax, right after Seal of Primordium. Playable in a degenerate format that wants 12 Naturalize effects...and nowhere else.
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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2010, 10:45:38 am » |
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3 colorless may be more easily playable than 1G or 1W for seals depending on the situation and with chalice you run the risk of chalicing yourself out of claim. I am not saying he is better than these cards(which are normally boarded), but he may take the place of the single maindeck seal from older builds. The fact that he is a creature(along with the majority of the expected improved printings for shop archetype) is relevant because it facilitates running thorn more advantageously. Note that under thorn, his ability is 1 colorless mana more expensive than a seal, he can be played via wokshop, and is a 1/3 for your added investment.
I am not giving this guy a 10/10 by any means, but he is another viable option. I am thinking more 6/10. If you would consider a 4 mana 5/3 vanilla beater (juggs...not lodestone) viable, then this guy at least warrant some consideration at 1 mana less...even though he is smaller.
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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2010, 01:37:29 pm » |
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He's not necessarily so bad that he isn't unconsiderable, but the benefits are going to be fairly marginal as 1 damage is just so much like no damage. He would have been a lot better if it was a 2/2, then I'd consider for a 5 color build (though I personally don't care much for 5 color Stax.)
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« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2010, 02:12:35 pm » |
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He's a tool for R/G beats decks to combat Sphinx. For the most part, that hasn't existed yet.
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« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2010, 02:19:38 pm » |
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He's not necessarily so bad that he isn't unconsiderable, but the benefits are going to be fairly marginal as 1 damage is just so much like no damage. He would have been a lot better if it was a 2/2, then I'd consider for a 5 color build (though I personally don't care much for 5 color Stax.)
I very much agree with this. He needed to be a 2/2 or a 1/X with sac as the only activation cost.
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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2010, 12:55:29 pm » |
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He's a tool for R/G beats decks to combat Sphinx. For the most part, that hasn't existed yet.
Hm. Absolutely. It doesn't go with null rod, obviously. The power level is low, but I like that it's a viridian zealot that works with scullclamp. By all means a fringe card, but not necessarily unplayable.
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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2010, 07:15:07 pm » |
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Not the second coming but at least in a Stax shell, he's unaffected by both Golem and Thorn. As for him being in the yard with an active Welder v. Oath... I don't think it's as easy as it sounds for the Oath player to just get rid of Gobbo and win. Sure, that's their objective but the deck's goal goes from "resolve 1G enchantment and win" to "find removal for Goblin Welder, find removal for the artifact Qasali it welds in, then resolve 1G enchantment, and try to win under a gazillion spheres/locks with compromised mana base before Golems and Spirit tokens kill me."
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« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2010, 03:36:36 pm » |
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Call me crazy, but this is actually one of the cards I am most excited about. If you replace Mountains with Taigas in Shop Aggro, then this kid could be a decent out to some of the decks problems; Oath and Sphinx. It's also combo's nicely with Welder to put the hurt on in the mirror match. By no means overwhelmingly powerful, but I can see applications so I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this card.
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