Leonin Arbiter

[Guli]

The deck is not about cats, it is about Null Rod and will always be about Null Rod. I will of course make an attempt with Aether Vial as well next to the null rod route and will eventually get something viable out of it. But Leonin Arbiter just begs for Null Rod. Suppression field, bleh, I would not auto add that card.

4x Null Rod
4x Leonin Arbiter
4x Aura of Silence

That is how I would most likely begin the deck. (Not even sure about Aura)

I predict something to come out of the new set that 'hoses' artifacts. We saw the new 'Tinker Robot' for example and then Leonin Arbiter was spoiled. Just sounds logical that with the amount of artifacts something will come out to give other archetypes a tool to fight. My dream would be a one sided walking Null Rod

[Cyberpunker]

Bomberman says WINNER!!!

This is going to be very effective in getting Aggro Combo back online. Hate.dec (otherwise known as "fish variants") also!

[overseer1234]

The problem I always had with Supression Field was that my opponent could always get one or two fetchlands activated before it comes out.  This new cat offers some support for it.  Is it possible all this could work in a Parfait shell?  Think about it:

Tariff
StP
Cannonist
Arbiter
Supression Field
Glowrider
Seal of Cleansing
Aura of Silence
Land Tax
Rule of Law
Ghostly Prison
Enlightend Tutor
Agrivian Find
Jotun Grunt

Somewhere in all that has to be a decent mono-white deck, right?

Peace,

-Troy

I would rather play samurai of the pale curtain then jothun grunt .

And definitely play thorn of amethyst next to the glowrider.

[AmbivalentDuck]

That means the Arbiter makes Maralen a mini-Possessed Portal.

IF they can't pay two mana.  Like I said: Mox, Sol Ring, Ignore your deck.

[BruiZar]

Its a good card, but it doesn't have a gigantic impact on its own. I don't see this in a dedicated white control deck because those cards are just not fast enough. White remains a support color at best.

[Wagner]

Bomberman says WINNER!!!

This is going to be very effective in getting Aggro Combo back online. Hate.dec (otherwise known as "fish variants") also!

I thought about it and... well, paying 5 mana main phase to use Trinket Mage seems very very hard, I don'T really see how this card can fit in Bomberman's current strategy. I still think Meddling or Mindsensor is better in that hate spot.

[brianpk80]

That means the Arbiter makes Maralen a mini-Possessed Portal.

IF they can't pay two mana.  Like I said: Mox, Sol Ring, Ignore your deck.

I don't have a deck to ignore here.    Ideally, there would certainly be some mana denial and artifact hate.  I gotta see the rest of the set spoiled to see what we have to work with. 

[AmbivalentDuck]

I'm thinking some variant on UWg Vial Fish with heavy countermagic and 2-3 Jace.  The idea being that you put the well-accelerated decks in the position Null Rod decks usually occupy: you get one spell per turn and you better make it count.

[Viseral-Fate]

I'm in a no-proxy, rather toned down meta.  Had to preface that so you can see my ideas are skewed.

Now I would make an argument that this could be ust another hate-bear, or it could be the etra piece of hate that gets others innovating W/x hate decks again.

If you use Jotun Grunts, it is is enough to matter, fight dredge, and recycles your used strip-effets

I was thinking that to fight the aggro matchs you could have things like Sunscour (terrible, but cost efficient), black for removal (meh plan, but access to Bob and Perish), or you could just handle Fish as Fish handles other decks (Run our own Goyfs and Swords).

On that last idea, Path to Exile is amazing when they have to pay 2 to get their possibly non-existent basic.

I think punting being on the draw to MUD is inevitable.  You can hope for Abolish, Seal, Pridemate, etc.  But either way it comes down to how they lock you out.  If it is the Golem, use ESG and Path.  Sphere, lay a land and play Abolish.  If anything, the bigger problem is the more draw oriented combo decks.

I firmly believe this will be something I grab 4x of early and try out in person.  There are so many hate-bears in just WW, that it could be done so cheaply and the results per $ would justify the investment.

Deck Idea for WW hate:

4x Leonin Arbiter (Tutor)
4x Ethersworn Cannonist (Storm)
4x Jotun Grunt (Dredge/Recursion)
3x Aven Mindcensor (Tutors)
4x Ictacian Jailineer (anti-Bob and Welder)
3x True Believer (Oath)

4x Path to Exile
3x Aura of Silence
1x Seal of Cleansing
3x Enlightened Tutor

5x Open Slot (Maybe Land Tax)

4x Mox Diamond
4x Wasteland
4x Ghost Quarter
1x Strip Mine
9x Plains

SB:
Tariff
Leyline of Sanctity
Orim's Chant
Silence
Abeyance
Swords
Steelshaper Mystic (w/ Jitte or SoFI)
Ronom Unicorn
Seal of Cleaning
Pithing Needle
Null Rod


I like the simplicity and nostalgic feel of bringing budget to fight Oath or Mud

[liontruth]

For the 5 open slots, land tax doesn't look good w/ arbiter in play.
Why not play Silence/Chant MD?
 -  you dont have that many 1st turn drop
 -  they can't go nuts on you before you play your hate creature
 -  Orim is sexay 

[madmanmike25]

You have options:  Kataki main, Null Rod main, or 3 Stoneforge Mystic + 2 Equipment.  The last two options work well with Enlightened Tutor.

[policehq]

You have options:  Kataki main, Null Rod main, or 3 Stoneforge Mystic + 2 Equipment.  The last two options work well with Enlightened Tutor.

But neither those last two options nor Enlightened Tutor work amazingly with Arbiter.

[Viseral-Fate]

I guess I blanked on that.  I wanted the obvious WW plan and just adding some sort of card advantage. 

Would Black splash for Bob be good?  The dissynergy of setting him up or luck ability with Mox Diamond could work.  The deck idea just needs tempo, slowing them down is good, but then we still need to finish them off before they find a way through. 

I probably should also find an answer to Massacre, which wrecks the deck outright

[honestabe]

I've been playing this guy in UW fish.  He's good.

[policehq]

When you add more colors, you're making a need for fetches. I think mono-white with the 9 wastes is the best option for abusing the mana-base denial strategy of Leonin Arbiter.

4 Leonin Arbiter
4 True Believer
4 Samurai of the Pale Curtain/Jotun Grunt
4 Icatian Javelineers
4 Aven Mindcensor
x Kami of False Hope, Ronom Unicorn, Children of Korlis, Master Decoy, Martyr of Sands/Proclamation of Rebirth (??)

4 Chalice of the Void
4 Null Rod

x Tariff/Path

5 Mox
1 Sol Ring
1 Black Lotus

4 Wasteland
4 Ghost Quarter
1 Strip Mine
x Plains

Kinda loose.

[honestabe]

Only 2 colors means you only need 4 fetches.  Ive never had a problem with them and arbiter

// Lands
    4  Flooded Strand
    2  Ghost Quarter
    1  Strip Mine
    4 [MPR] Wasteland
    1  Plains
    4 [BRB] Island
    4  Tundra

// Creatures
    2  Thada Adel, Acquisitor
    1  Jotun Grunt
    2  Ninja of the Deep Hours
    2  Vendilion Clique
    3 [ARB] Meddling Mage
    2  Isamaru, Hound of Konda
    4  Leonin Arbiter
    2  Kataki, War's Wage

// Spells
    1  Black Lotus
    3 [JGC] Stifle
    3  Daze
    3  Swords to Plowshares
    4  Force of Will
    1  Time Walk
    1  Brainstorm
    1  Ancestral Recall
    3  Null Rod
    1  Mox Pearl
    1  Mox Sapphire


Might cut a basic or a fetch for more ghost quarter.   its such a beating

[limitedwhole]

I like Tithe and plateaus better than playing a limited amount of fetchlands with this card.  Red gives you really good creatures like Shaman, Mogg Fanatic, and Goblin tinkerer.  Tithe lets you play 4 Mox Diamond.  i like this card allot in a white/red disruptive aggro.

[RecklessEmbermage]

I posted a deck a few days ago on creative that might be worthwhile sharing here. Like honestabe, I think 2 colours is more than doable with this guy. Fetches aren't necessary. The synergy with kataki is strong and I like the idea of playing kataki over null rod. That opens up for aether vial and enables you to waste something pretty much every turn.

4 savannah
3 temple garden
4 horizon canopy (no basics. The deck cannot fetch them. It has vial and a bit of removal for magus and wasteland decks will loose that fight)
3 karakas (important against aggro, creates a mangara lock and makes the deck iona-resistant)
4 wasteland
4 ghost quarter
1 strip mine

3 mox diamond (Even though I'm always building unpowered lists, the deck really wants to have two mana from the get go and will draw into redundant lands)
4 aether vial
3 skullclamp (important enough that it may warrant 4 slots. Burns through redundant legends etc.)
2 sensei's divining top

3 isamaru, hound of konda
2 jotun grunt
4 leonin arbiter
4 qasali pridemage
3 kataki, war's wage
2 mangara of corondor
2 aven mindcensor
3 elvish spirit guide (can be vialed in, clamped, etc)

2 life from the loam (hadn't thought about this before, but lftl has some great synergy with top. Would be better with dredge 2, of course)

Sideboard:
4 disenchant (beyond pridemage, WG has few creature solutions to artifacts (null rod is particularly relevant here). Viridian zealot is too green intensive)
2 kitchen finks (probably not necessary. What match-ups need to be adressed?)
3 gaddock teeg
1 jotun grunt
3 path to exile
2 stirring wildwood  (against other wasteland decks and to side in for wastes against decks with few nonbasics)

[AmbivalentDuck]

Not really the right place to discuss a decklist, but white/green Vial Fish probably wants Living Wish.

[saspook]

The Arbiter is really strong with Stifle, Spell Pierce and even Daze.

I hate Stifle in fish, especially with Mindcensor.  It was always a coin flip if they hit a land, now if they pay the 2, you know they will hit a land and can Stifle the fetch.  Similarly it will be a lot harder to resolve a sorcery speed tutor against spell pierce with the extra 2 having to be paid.

Ignoring Blue for some questionable green cards is a mistake.

[Xequecal]

I personally think Pridemage, Tarmogoyf, and that 2cc green hybrid that makes spells uncounterable for (R/G) (the name escapes me right now) are far better cards than anything you can get out of blue. Since running a three color Fish deck with both Arbiter AND 5 (let alone 9) strip effects will probably never work, my instinct would be to drop blue, at least in the maindeck. Green also gives you Ohran Viper, which is pretty good right now as a card advantage engine as people are starting to gravitate back to Leviathan as their Tinker target of choice because of Jace. If you play Noble Hierarch and 4 fetchlands, you can run an Island in the SB and bring in Predators for Arbiters against Shop decks, since they're useless in that matchup anyway. Exalted also lets Fish creatures kill Jace in one swing, rather than letting them Brainstorm twice.

I really don't like U/W Fish. You need a reasonable clock, and to get one U/W has to play crap like Isamaru. You want your creatures to disrupt the opponent, draw cards, or be huge, Isamaru is none of these.

[nineisnoone]

Bomberman says WINNER!!!

This is going to be very effective in getting Aggro Combo back online. Hate.dec (otherwise known as "fish variants") also!

Bomberman wants Riddlesmith.

[honestabe]

Bomberman says WINNER!!!

This is going to be very effective in getting Aggro Combo back online. Hate.dec (otherwise known as "fish variants") also!

How does bomberman, a deck that revolves Trinket Mage, who tutors want this guy?  Also, bomberman usually requires some degree of fetches which seems pretty anti-synergistic


It is fucking sweet in fish though