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« on: January 06, 2011, 05:25:34 pm » |
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Hi, I will be attending my first Star City Games Open Series this weekend mostly in part because I live conveniently in Kansas City. I was really hoping that there would be some sort of Type 1 side events going on but it doesn't look like there will be.
Ironically in a recent SCG article by Glenn Jonnes, he stated, "In fact, you can't fail to find a format you love this weekend", yet I am unable to find any information about Type 1, a format that I love. Am I missing something? Has SCG completely dropped interest in Type 1? They went from having massive Power 9 tourneys and buying up the Mana Drain website, to not even throwing us a bone by having some small scale Vintage side events.
Does anyone here who has contact with SCG (they do own this site) know as to why they are not supporting Type 1 in any way shape or form? Would it not be in their best interest as dealers in the secondary market to create a demand for Vintage staples? I'm not asking that they have a full day blow out event like they do for Type 2 and Legacy, but a 4 round proxy event or something would be a nice gesture.
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metalhead666
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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2011, 07:45:41 pm » |
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Starcity went away with Power 9 tournaments simple because they can make more money off standard and legacy. I have talked to several people who were played in many power 9 tournaments and got to know the staff and have talked to them since they have stopped the hosting tournaments and everyone of those people have said the same thing, that starcity did not make enough money off them to keep interest in them. And since they now have tournaments every other weekend that draw much larger crowds than the power 9 tournaments ever did, I can not see them hosting any vintage events in the future. Maybe if everyone pushes for Vintage side events they may give in eventually, but I would not expect very good prize support for any events.
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2011, 10:30:37 pm » |
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They haven't run Vintage at any of the events I've been to, although I'm sure they'd do Vintage for a box if you could get some people interested.
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Royal Ass.
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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2011, 10:57:49 pm » |
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Yeah, I realize that they are not going to do any big Vintage events, nor would I expect so. I'm strictly talking about side events which should cost them next to nothing to do, but would go a long way in supporting the vintage format by giving it visibility around the country all while helping develop an evolving meta game where events take place around the US as opposed to just pockets of Vintage hold out communities.
Voltron - This is something I think that would have to be planned in advance. I'm not going to port my vintage deck to the convention center unless I know for sure that there would be some sort of side event possibility. People need to know in advance so that they can get their deck together, make proxies etc.
I will attempt to talk to some Star City people while I'm there to encourage them to add side events to their future Open Series stops. It's probably too late for Kansas City unfortunately, but I would urge others to contact Star City and show that there is a demand for Vintage side events - if there is in fact such a demand anymore...
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metalhead666
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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2011, 03:26:02 pm » |
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if there is in fact such a demand anymore...
There is a demand in some parts of this country. |
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Royal Ass.
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2011, 07:33:45 pm » |
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I spoke with Several Star City employees regarding this issue - one guy who I talked to on the Phone in Virginia and a couple people at the event. All of them seemed pretty receptive to the issue and said that they would discuss it with their crew for future events.
I attempted to make several arguments in support of them holding some sort of Vintage side event. Their main concerns are cost and manpower.
1. The most important reason I think that they should hold ANY sort of Vintage side event, is to maintain visibility and legitimacy of the Vintage format. Otherwise, in the mind of most players, the format might as well not exist. Just having some sort of event, regardless of how small or inconsequential, keeps the format alive and visitable to non-Vintage, Vintage, and potential Vintage players. I think this goes a long way in perpetuating this format. It keeps the format on the radar and brings it to different parts of the country. It allows newer players to see people playing it. It perhaps dispels some of the myths associated with the format and shows that it is in fact a contemporary competitive format and not some sort of Un-Glued format - ie that the format is not a joke.
2. Having a Vintage side event will bring the format to parts of the country where there is perhaps no longer a thriving Vintage scene. It might allow former players or curious people to dust off, or proxy up a deck to play the format - re kindling their interest and enthusiasm for Type 1. It would also allow people in isolated insular provincial meta games to play people from other geographic areas since the SCG series draws a national crowd. It could have an after effect of helping to re-energize dead Vintage scenes in different parts of the country. It would allow a more national blending and interaction of local meta games at a national event. This will increase solidarity and interconnectedness of Vintage players.
3. Regarding the cost and man power issue- Since the infrastructure for the Standard and Legacy events will already be in place, there should be very little additional strain on the event to host a small scale Vintage event. I can't imagine that there would be more that 40 participants at most. If it was non-sanctioned, the judging demands would also be less. A small Vintage event could be run under the same umbrella of management that runs all the other side events.
4. If there is a negligible additional cost to having some small Vintage events at the SCG Open series, I see no real reason that they would not schedule an event. At worst, no one would sign up. I don't know if this has happened in the past or not. But I tend to follow the mantra of, "if you build it they will come." Hopefully somethign like this would be profitable for SCG and they could make money off the entry fee and sell more Type 1 cards at their event and on-line.
5. Uunlike the more modern formats, I don't think Vintage is self perpetuating. I think it is a format that at times has more forces working against it than for it. It is a format that needs advocacy. It needs support to continue. Minimal support from SCG would go a long way in promoting the format - hopefully at negligible cost to them.
Lastly, I think that a lot of the active members on this site are perhaps located in a geographic area where there is still an active meta game and might not understand completely my concern on this issue. I live in an area that up until several years ago had a pretty active player base of Type 1 but because the local stores didn't get on the proxy bandwagon the format deflated and died out. Now these stores say they will have proxy tournaments and I am trying to put something together but it is difficult to start something up when it has died out. People look at Type 1 as a joke and invoke the same "turn 1" win arguments when you try to discuss it with them. Having Type 1 as a part of the Open Series will give it a level of visibility and legitimacy that it direly needs to continue and hopefully grow across the US. People in isolated meta games where the format has held out need to understand that the situation is different in other areas. It is in their benefit for the format to be strong elsewhere, as they might be surprised just how rapidly it can dry up where they are too. I feel confident in saying that if there had been, even a rather small Type 1 event this weekend it would make my effort to get some local proxy tournaments going in KC. People would have seen it at the Open Series. Their curiosity and interest would have been perked. They would see the results on line or at the event. They would think about what deck they might play etc.
Anyway, there are just some thoughts. I'm a little surprised more people have not chimed in on this subject. Complacency? I think it is relevant, and perhaps if we speak up we can get some support from SCG.
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2011, 11:07:19 pm » |
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They should hold it on Saturday when there is type 2, as many type 1 players will play in the legacy event but would be fine with skipping the standard portion. My opinion
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Royal Ass.
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2011, 11:34:00 pm » |
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They should hold it on Saturday when there is type 2, as many type 1 players will play in the legacy event but would be fine with skipping the standard portion. My opinion
I agree. Saturday afternoon would be good so people who drop from Standard could play as well. In KC they had a 4 round "Legacy Challenge" where you could win packs. It started at 5pm. Wish it would have been a Vintage challenge. |
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2011, 12:19:19 am » |
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I begged borrowed or stole to get entry free/gas to get to a Vintage Side Event during Worlds 2004 in San Francisco. We had 98 players (granted, there was pretty good prizes). I wouldn't mind at all if Vintage events became side events at big tournies, as long was we get Vintage events and players.
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Bera
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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2011, 01:20:05 pm » |
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I went to San Jose and we ended up having an 8 person single elim tournament for a drain for $15 entry on Sunday. I wish more would have played but I suppose I can't complain since we at least had 8.
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Royal Ass.
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2011, 03:56:56 pm » |
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Bera, It's funny, I tuned into the SCG live to watch for a bit and I overheard on the intercom at the event that they were calling the Vintage players to start their 8 man! I checked the thread on Star City to see if there was something scheduled in advance but there was nothing posted. So I'm assuming that you guys organized it at the event? How did you pull this off considering most people don't carry around a type 1 deck unless they are planning on playing? Did you organize it in advance amongst your friends? Did the SCG people say anything about organizing events at their future events?
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Bera
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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2011, 07:04:45 pm » |
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I ended up bringing my Eternal stuff just in case people needed to borrow cards for legacy or if I wanted to switch stuff around in my deck so naturally my power was with me. Another friend from AZ also had his stuff on him, I don't know who organized the event but I heard them announcing it and signed up. I think someone just went up there and asked them if they'd run a side event if they could find enough people.
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