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We were ON SITE at Gencon for these podcasts. Check it out.... Kevin Cron and Steve Menendian interview Vintage Championship Finalist Paul Mastriano and New York tournament organizer Nick Detwiler. Segments: – 00:00:19: Paul Mastriano – 01:18:29: Nick Detwiler – 01:51:15: Closing Contact us at @ManyInsanePlays on Twitter or e-mail us at… http://mtgcast.com/?p=19900Also, if you've never heard the Meandeck Story, you'll want to hear it from Paul... |
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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2011, 12:04:07 pm » |
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Checking this out, thanks! I'll edit as necessary. Thoughts: -Unless the Mystical Tutor didn't need to resolve, it seems like the better play for Rich to make (or maybe what he did in fact do) is to Mystical Tutor, Misstep it himself, and then Misstep his first Misstep. Still pay four life for two storm but you end up resolving Mystical Tutor. The first prediction of Dredge I saw (you'll note it was in response to my way off-base guess): Shot in the dark: Oath will win Champs.
No way, Dredge!  Re: Legacy Interest in the format is clearly a function of factors external to the format (the type of people you'll have to (or 'get' to) play against, format support by WotC/TOs), and factors internal to the format (is it fun generally? is the metagame diverse?) Playerbase - I don't think there's going to be any large change in who one plays against, except that when prices are rising or continually high those better able to buy-in will supplant those who can't afford the rents paid in cards. Which generally means that the Legacy playerbase will age, and hopefully mature. Format Support - We've just had the announcement of paper-Modern. Though it is clearly not intended to be a replacement for Legacy (more likely to replace Extended, as it will do in Philly), I do think that Modern will inevitably compete with Legacy for support from WotC and independent TOs. The biggest question is what will SCG do with their Open Series and Invitationals. Ideally I think they'd like to tack Modern on as an additional format to support, but in the real world weekends have two days, not three, and something will have to give. I would guess that Standard Opens will not be affected, and any Modern Opens will come at the expense of Legacy Opens. I would love to be proven wrong though, perhaps some Open weekends will be eternal weekends where Modern and Legacy are paired (maybe with a Vintage side event on the Modern day?). Internal Factors - I have heard recently, though I'm not sure I subscribe to this view, that the printing of Mental Misstep has made the Legacy meta more cutthroat. With an additional free counter available to 'serious' (read, blue-based) decks the 'everyone can play their pet deck and do well depending primarily on playskill' era may be over. I can't make a judgement on this aspect, given how little I've played lately, and still how recently MM was released. |
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Vintage is a lovely format, it's too bad so few people can play because the supply of power is so small.
Chess really changed when they decided to stop making Queens and Bishops. I'm just glad I got my copies before the prices went crazy.
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2011, 11:35:37 pm » |
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Great episode, I really enjoyed the interviews. I hadn't given it much thought before now, but Nick's point about Power as prized for Vintage tournaments makes a lot of sense. I know regardless of the format, a cash payout based on participation never draws me to a tournament, but as an example, I made plans to play a local Legacy tourney giving away a Lotus. Locally, the tournaments really fluctuate unless high dollar cards are being put up as prizes.
I personally think that Legacy has peaked as far as players in the format. I actually believe the peak was the time between the Survival ban and the printing of Misstep. The banning of Mystical Tutor IMHO started to get players scratching their head about the management of the format, then banning of SotF drove some of them away, and the big blow was printing of MM. The entry into Legacy as a format for a lot of players was with Goblins and home brews. MM created a higher bar to entry into the format for new players by reducing the lower cost options in the format. Combine this with the expensive cost of staples in a format needing multiples of the staples to be competitive, this has neutered entry of new players into the format.
Tournament turnout will still be good as long a Star City and others have regular Legacy events, but will slowly dwindle due to natural attrition that all formats see since few new players will be coming into Legacy. If however Star City moves to modern, then Legacy will see a much faster decline back toward levels of play that it was prior to the SCG tournaments (or slightly above those levels). This will not only be due to the lack of SCG tournaments, but also the reduction in attention from Magic writers and players.
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2011, 02:07:04 pm » |
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Great podcast, guys! I love the interviews. Do you think you might do them at something like a Waterbury or Meandeck Open?
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2011, 05:32:37 pm » |
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Great podcast, guys! I love the interviews. Do you think you might do them at something like a Waterbury or Meandeck Open?
Definitely. These interviews are a great opportunity for the Vintage community to hear from community figures in their own voice. Props to Mastriano and Detwiler for participating. |
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2011, 05:53:04 pm » |
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Just to compliement your podcasting skills once more, there is very little dead air on SMIP. Dead air is so annoying to listen to. You guys keep the conversation going and have really insightful stuff to say all the time. When nobody talks for a bit on a podcast, it's really easy to lose interest. Contrast your latest one to this one here: http://mtgcast.com/?p=19906 and you'll see what I mean. They had really great stuff to say, but the dead air was jarring at times IMO. Peace, -Troy |
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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2011, 08:53:04 am » |
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I enjoyed doing the interview, it was also good to hear Paul, Steve and Kevin on the genesis of and performance of Meandeck Gush. Great work, Steve and Kevin.
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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2011, 09:53:56 am » |
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I enjoy the podcast(s) alot! Especially that you got so much content in each episode. (2h of vintage is awesome). Next step would be to make videos; record games and/or make it the way channelfireball does.. Maybe record games (real games, not modo/cockatrice etc), and then comment on them afterwards?
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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2011, 03:21:28 pm » |
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I enjoyed doing the interview, it was also good to hear Paul, Steve and Kevin on the genesis of and performance of Meandeck Gush. Great work, Steve and Kevin.
Thank you Nick for participating. There is much to be learned from what you had to say. |
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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2011, 04:36:07 pm » |
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Just to compliement your podcasting skills once more, there is very little dead air on SMIP. Dead air is so annoying to listen to. You guys keep the conversation going and have really insightful stuff to say all the time. When nobody talks for a bit on a podcast, it's really easy to lose interest. Contrast your latest one to this one here: http://mtgcast.com/?p=19906 and you'll see what I mean. They had really great stuff to say, but the dead air was jarring at times IMO. Peace, -Troy Seconded. This was the first MTG podcast I listened to, and since it is awhile between updates I checked out the others. I encountered a vast wasteland of fifteen year olds parroting something MARO tweeted and then telling a bunch of inside jokes while eating Doritoes. And, of course, the ubiquitous and aforementioned dead air. Keep on presenting us with a podcast that actually generates unique and interesting content (analysis) from people who are playing to an audience other than their local game store, and I'll keep tuning in. |
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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2011, 08:12:16 pm » |
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great podcast! best one yet. They can only get better  |
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Colossians 2:2,3
That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, both of the Father, and of Christ; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2011, 05:59:16 pm » |
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Nice job on the podcast. I really like hearing extended interviews with guys like Paul and Nick. Both bring a unique and insightful perspective to vintage that compliments the both of you. It makes for good discussion and a great listening experience.
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2011, 10:00:49 am » |
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Very interesting and insightful!
Keep doing these, please.
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« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2011, 03:39:01 pm » |
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folks need to spread the word on these! they are super convenient to access, but it's a different experience than reading an article.
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« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2011, 05:38:09 pm » |
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folks need to spread the word on these!  they are super convenient to access, but it's a different experience than reading an article.Â
You need to do more of them. |
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Shuffles, much like commas, are useful for altering tempo to add feeling. |
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« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2011, 05:44:55 pm » |
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folks need to spread the word on these!  they are super convenient to access, but it's a different experience than reading an article.Â
You need to do more of them. We willl; have no fear. But it's only worth it if our audience is growing. We got the stats from MTGcast, and there are literally thousands of downloads, but we want to make sure that we are improving every time. |
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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2011, 02:16:30 pm » |
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I Have listened to all the podcasts and really enjoy them. I would echo some of the comments about the volume level on the microphones in the earlier ones. Hopefully that is improving. Also, I might be in the minority on this, but I'm not crazy about the recent discussion (in episode 5) of hypothetical game states. I would rather hear more general strategy/card discussion as opposed to dissecting particular game states.
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« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2011, 05:55:47 pm » |
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I Have listened to all the podcasts and really enjoy them. I would echo some of the comments about the volume level on the microphones in the earlier ones. Hopefully that is improving. Also, I might be in the minority on this, but I'm not crazy about the recent discussion (in episode 5) of hypothetical game states. I would rather hear more general strategy/card discussion as opposed to dissecting particular game states.
To each his own, and I think this podcast has a little for both types of listeners, but the dessecting of game states is my favorite part of this cast. Every other cast out there can talk about new cards in a vaccuum. They can report a tweek Wizards made that week. But, none of those podcasts can have the sort of detailed analytical discussion about vintage gamestates that this one can. Or at least, no one else is doing it that I know if. Instead of just being a bunch of people talking about Magic, this podcast actually generates unique, substantive content. It actually conveys information you would not necessarily get anywhere else. Thats why it's great. That's also why I'm dissapointed, with everyone else, that it updates so infrequently. Since this podcast can generate it's own content, not wait for a handout from Rosewater on the next set, it certainly could update weekly or more often. I bet it's got more to do with Steve's schedule than anything else. |
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« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2011, 09:10:34 pm » |
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It's nice that they share the statistics with you on that. Lets you now if you're pleasing your audience or not.
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