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« on: August 29, 2011, 10:09:05 am »

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Bobby Fischer is arguably the greatest Chess player of all time. This fact is all the more astounding because he was an American who rose to the pinnacle of a sport dominated by non-Americans (think soccer, or “football”). His method of play, his studious preparation, and even his descent into madness contain valuable lessons for the young or mature Magic player.

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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2011, 12:48:45 pm »

Very cool, thanks for this.
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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2011, 03:13:44 pm »

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Your most interesting article imho. Especially this phase made me smile:
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Americans, in particular, are especially fond of the ‘genius’ narrative that attributes individual success to rare or unique talent.
Though Americans are often reproached with being - let's say naive concerning this, I agree that this is a very spread trait among magic players.
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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2011, 03:30:32 pm »

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Your most interesting article imho. Especially this phase made me smile:
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Americans, in particular, are especially fond of the ‘genius’ narrative that attributes individual success to rare or unique talent.
Though Americans are often reproached with being - let's say naive concerning this, I agree that this is a very spread trait among magic players.

Magic is an individualistic sport, like Golf.  It's not only natural for Magic players to think that way, but it's actually healthy to some degree, since it provides agency to the player, and underscores the many dimensions of decision-making that contribute to game outcomes.   This is not only empowering, but it aids in the process of improved decision-making and skill development. 

It's better for Magic players to overestimate their influence on the outcome of games than underestimate it, even though that leads to an overestimation of one's natural abilities relative to developed skills/preparation.  

Thanks for the positive feedback on the article.  I doubt it's my 'most interesting' article, but I'm glad people are enjoying it.  It was fun to write.   

I actually think there is alot Magic can learn from other sports, and Magic players can learn from other sportsmen/women. 
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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2011, 04:37:03 pm »

I really liked many parts of this article.

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It was not his exceptional insight that was the foundation of his success. Rather, his insight was a consequence of an exceptional work ethic.

I especially liked this.  Good job, Steve.
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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2011, 07:55:24 pm »

That's the most unique article you've ever written, Steve.  Nice work Smile
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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2011, 10:49:41 pm »

That's the most unique article you've ever written, Steve.  Nice work Smile

Interesting observation, Troy Wink  It is unusual, but I'm not sure why.   Is it the subject matter or has my writing style changed in a year of not writing weekly columns?  

In any case, I'm glad you all liked it.   Be sure to check out the other things I've written or EC, if you haven't already Wink
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2011, 01:52:56 am »

@Steve,

This article was very solid (it helped that the subject matter interests me, as I've been playing chess since age 7) I've read a lot about Fisher (although he's not my favorite player nor do I believe he's the greatest of all time) there are certain lessons we Magic players can learn looking at other sports for sure. It's good to see you touch on this subject which has been at the back of my mind for some time as well.

I prefer these type or articles (mixed with others) more then just having straight up content everytime. These articles at least should get people thinking.
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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2011, 03:08:24 pm »

Thanks -- I think that was the goal with this article, to get people to think rather than absorb information.   

Sometimes the best way to understand something is from a different perspective, and Bobby Fischer and his life provide a great vehicle for doing just that. 
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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2011, 05:10:57 am »

Funny, I already thought of Malcom Gladwell's Outlier while reading your article, before you ever mentioned it. Good observation!
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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2011, 04:45:18 pm »

Hey Steve, that was certainly an interesting article! Haiving played chess for many years before quitting competitive play, I certainly agreed with the parallels you drew in your article. I do have some comments about some of the points you raised in the article:

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But to read a Chess player, and a particularly skilled one at that, ascribing “luck” to an opponent was striking.

It is certainly hard to imagine how luck can arise in chess, but there is more luck than one would at first imagine. particularly:

1) Many games in a tournament boil down to heart-pounding time scrambles. They are certainly fun to watch (even for someone who doesn't even understand the game), and tend to be quite swingy. There can be a significant luck involved in such a scenario, where many moves that are made are more based on intuition and pattern recognition (or even playing the probabilities) than anything else.

2) In a course of the game, especially at high levels, there is frequently an interchange between one type of an advantage versus another type of advantage. For instance, a player might invest material for positional gain or to put a lot of pressure on the opponent and shift the burden of defense onto them. These types of sacrifices of material are often speculative - it is nearly impossible to calculate their long term outcome. The player must rely heavily on experience and intuition in such cases, but of course their sacrifices don't always pan out.

3) The “matagaming” in chess can have a significant luck component. Many games are determined not over the chessboard, but in home preparation. Periodically, strong players would unearth Theoretical Novelties (TNs). TNs at times were so significant that they would completely turn the tables, changing a negative evaluation of a position by theory to an overwhelmingly positive one. Arguably, one who falls for a prepared line is “unlucky” in the sense that they cannot possibly anticipate all of the subtleties of every conceivable position, and minimizing the chances of falling for such TNs would usually mean adopting systems that were known by theory to be equal or lack aggressive punch. Thus, if a player was highly ambitious and wanted to play the most challenging lines, they would be more prone to TNs. 

Interestingly enough, Fischer proposed the “Fischer Clock” to combat the luck involved in scenario 1. The Fischer Clock would add an arbitrary number of seconds after each move (usually 10 seconds), to avoid situations in which moves are made almost mindlessly leading to horrible blunders. The Fischer Clock has even been used in major chess tourneys in the past.

Fischer also proposed a new chess variant that would completely eliminate the “luck” involved in scenario 3: randomly scrambling the back row of each side of a chess board before each game. This way players were left to their own devices, instead of reliance on home preparation (and to be fair, that home preparation might have come as a result of that player's helpers, called “seconds” - and thus entire games could be won with minimal effort from that player himself).


Going back to Fisher's behavior after his losses, you parallel that to the behavior of certain magic players after they lose their matches. However, I wouldn't necessarily paint Fischer's behavior in a negative light - in fact, I think it can be interpreted as a very good thing. Fischer had incredible drive and an incredible killer instinct. He would be upset after losing because he felt that he should be able to beat anybody. I think that while he might have been emotional in the short term, those feelings fueled his drive to succeed. I have no doubt that he meticulously analyzed his losses, and learned a lot from his mistakes.

This is what sets him apart from many magic players that ascribe their losses to luck – such players never truly learn and grow.   
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« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2011, 04:49:50 pm »

Both Fischer Random and the Fischer clock were described in Brady's biography.   Interesting points; thanks for your thoughts!
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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2011, 04:56:19 pm »

Both Fischer Random and the Fischer clock were described in Brady's biography.   Interesting points; thanks for your thoughts!

Just curious - does Brady go into details about the Soviets' purpored cheating at major events? Fischer wasn't the first to throw around those accurations, and in fact a lot of evidence has been put forth that soviets did lose games against their compatriots on purpose to ensure that a soviet would win a given event. This was part of an important struggle in the cold war era - a form of "validation" of the soviet communism and the superiority over the capitalistic west.

Would you recommend Brady's work?
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« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2011, 05:25:46 pm »

The book is fantastic -- it's compelling and remarkably well written.  The only criticism I might have is that it isn't nearly as analytical as I expected.  It's mostly just very well written narrative.  It's almost as if Brady, Dean of Communications, I think, at Penn, waited his life to write this book. 

Yes, there is discussion of what you talked about, but it's not entirely conclusive in its treatment.   
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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2011, 11:35:31 pm »

Excellent article Steve.  One thing that made this article feel unique is its layout.  The pictures and format of the website and article add to the flavor of the content and create a different "feel".  

I have always felt the cross game/sport analysis is important and one that has been fascinating to me for a long time despite it being relatively neglected.  

Both Fischer Random and the Fischer clock were described in Brady's biography.   Interesting points; thanks for your thoughts!

Just curious - does Brady go into details about the Soviets' purpored cheating at major events? Fischer wasn't the first to throw around those accurations, and in fact a lot of evidence has been put forth that soviets did lose games against their compatriots on purpose to ensure that a soviet would win a given event. This was part of an important struggle in the cold war era - a form of "validation" of the soviet communism and the superiority over the capitalistic west.


I think that bringing this up speaks to the fact that Chess nor many sports are truly individual.  Despite the competition being individual, the preparation and within tournament play of a team or group of players does create a team.  I think we see it in running, wrestling, racecar driving, and in Magic and Chess.
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« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2011, 06:06:24 pm »

Curious, isn't it. In Magic, if a teammate would purposefully concede to another teammate no one would bat an eye, and yet when that happened in the soviet era chess world, that was viewed as a major sin punishable by disqualification.

By the way, doesn't Pat Chapin look very similar to Bobby Fischer in the first two pictures? Two geniuses that look eerily similar - must be those intense eyes.
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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2011, 02:35:50 pm »

That's the most unique article you've ever written, Steve.  Nice work Smile

Interesting observation, Troy Wink  It is unusual, but I'm not sure why.   Is it the subject matter or has my writing style changed in a year of not writing weekly columns?  


Nope, I don't think your time off came into play.  This article was far more personal than anything you've written before.  It is obvious that you admire Mr. Fischer, but at the same time take seriously the warning his story presents.  Your tone was just so much more sincere (not accusing you of ever being insincere, mind you) and heartfelt than what I'm used to reading in your more analyitical style of wrtiting.  I was rivitted to the edge of my seat as I read this thing.  I've read it twice now.  It's among the very best you've done IMHO.

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