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« on: February 27, 2012, 12:30:26 pm »
Heart of the Vale  {0}
Legendary Artifact

Whenever a creature would enter the battlefield under your control, put a charge counter on Heart of the Vale.

 {Tap}, remove all charge counters from Heart of the Vale:  Choose a color.  Add mana of the chosen color to your mana pool equal tot he number of charge counters removed.

Its design is to give mono-colored aggro decks a short-term mana boost.  I'm not sure if it's too wordy, but I'm fairly sure that it needs to be Legendary, as multiples would be horrific in terms of accelerating.

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Heart of the Vale {0}
Legendary Artifact

Whenever a nontoken creature enters the battlefield under your control, put a charge counter on Heart of the Vale.

{Tap}, remove all charge counters from Heart of the Vale: Add X mana of any one color to your mana pool, where X is the number of charge coutners removed from Heart of the Vale.
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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2012, 03:34:34 pm »
Retemplated:

Heart of the Vale {0}
Legendary Artifact

Whenever a creature enters the battlefield under your control, put a charge counter on Heart of the Vale.

{Tap}, remove all charge counters from Heart of the Vale: Add X mana of any one color to your mana pool, where X is the number of charge coutners removed from Heart of the Vale.

No need to say "would" for the first ability, that generally indicates a replacement ability. Second ability templated to match Lotus Blossom.
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Quote from: Diakonov on September 15, 2011, 03:30:01 pm
Quote from: MaximumCDawg on September 15, 2011, 02:52:29 pm
I suppose it's mostly the thought that this format is just one big Mistake; and not even a very sophisticated one at that.
Much like humanity itself.
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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2012, 12:48:12 pm »
Yeah, I was stoned on Day Nurse when I came up with the concept.  Modified.
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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2012, 02:12:29 pm »
I suppose I should actually comment on the card itself too...

Zero cost is too cheap. Even at {1}, I think this is quite possibly too good. For balance reasons, this should probably say "non-token" creature.

You get pretty ridiculous interactions between this and stuff like Shrieking Drake. With multiples, you get stupid amounts of mana pretty quickly. For example, with two Hearts and a Drake:
T1: Island, Heart 1, Heart 2. Tap Island for Drake. Tap Heart 1 for {U}. Play Drake. Tap Heart 2 for {U} {U}. Play Drake twice (2 counters on each Heart). You've now got 5 mana of any color available for T2 (3 counters on first Heart, 2 on the second), and can still ramp before casting any real spells.
T2: Tap Island for Drake. Tap first Heart, play Drake 4 times. Tap second Heart, get 7 blue. Play something pricey, say FOF. Use remaining {U} {U} {U} to play Drake. You now have 10 Heart mana available for T3 (7 counters & 3 counters). Pure ramp would have gotten you 18! Heart mana for T3.

After working out that scenario, this probably needs more nerfing. Maybe add only 1 mana per two counters removed?
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Quote from: Diakonov on September 15, 2011, 03:30:01 pm
Quote from: MaximumCDawg on September 15, 2011, 02:52:29 pm
I suppose it's mostly the thought that this format is just one big Mistake; and not even a very sophisticated one at that.
Much like humanity itself.
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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2012, 04:24:05 pm »
Quote from: Delha on February 28, 2012, 02:12:29 pm
I suppose I should actually comment on the card itself too...

Zero cost is too cheap. Even at {1}, I think this is quite possibly too good. For balance reasons, this should probably say "non-token" creature.

You get pretty ridiculous interactions between this and stuff like Shrieking Drake. With multiples, you get stupid amounts of mana pretty quickly. For example, with two Hearts and a Drake:
T1: Island, Heart 1, Heart 2. Tap Island for Drake. Tap Heart 1 for {U}. Play Drake. Tap Heart 2 for {U} {U}. Play Drake twice (2 counters on each Heart). You've now got 5 mana of any color available for T2 (3 counters on first Heart, 2 on the second), and can still ramp before casting any real spells.
T2: Tap Island for Drake. Tap first Heart, play Drake 4 times. Tap second Heart, get 7 blue. Play something pricey, say FOF. Use remaining {U} {U} {U} to play Drake. You now have 10 Heart mana available for T3 (7 counters & 3 counters). Pure ramp would have gotten you 18! Heart mana for T3.

After working out that scenario, this probably needs more nerfing. Maybe add only 1 mana per two counters removed?
Well... it is Legendary.  Perhaps having a sacrifice cost too would be sufficient to stop shenanigans.
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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2012, 07:08:30 pm »
Quote from: DubDub on February 28, 2012, 04:24:05 pm
Well... it is Legendary.  Perhaps having a sacrifice cost too would be sufficient to stop shenanigans.
Aaaaaandd I'm an idiot. Specifying "non-token" creature and mana cost {1} should be plenty then, IMO.
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Quote from: MaximumCDawg on September 15, 2011, 02:52:29 pm
I suppose it's mostly the thought that this format is just one big Mistake; and not even a very sophisticated one at that.
Much like humanity itself.
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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2012, 09:36:12 pm »
cost 0 is fine...legendary and Non-token fix any problems.
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« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2012, 06:11:31 am »
Aaaand modified to nontoken creature. Smile
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« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2012, 12:20:27 pm »
"Heart Mox"? "Blood Mox"? "Mox Sanguine"?

I've got no problems w/ the current name, just spitballing a bit here.
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Quote from: Diakonov on September 15, 2011, 03:30:01 pm
Quote from: MaximumCDawg on September 15, 2011, 02:52:29 pm
I suppose it's mostly the thought that this format is just one big Mistake; and not even a very sophisticated one at that.
Much like humanity itself.
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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2012, 06:08:37 am »
Mox Heartsong?  A callback to the Urza's song-themed enchantments and Moxen.
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