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« on: June 07, 2013, 11:34:55 pm »

My opponent goes for the death blow with his Blightsteel colossus, ready to trample over my dark confidant.  During attack, I cast sudden spoiling and block with dark confidant.  Assuming BSC is no longer indestructible and a measly 0/2, it dies.  But now that it is killed, does it actually go to the graveyard since it has lost all abilities, or does it again become a blightsteel with its shuffle clause before hitting the bin?
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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2013, 03:48:55 am »

Blightsteel Colossus doesn't have the ability to replace it going to the graveyard, so it goes to the graveyard as normal.
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2013, 03:47:10 pm »

Until the M14 rules change, isn't BSC still indestructible?
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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2013, 05:09:50 pm »

To the best of my knowledge: No.
While being indestructible in itself is not an ability at the moment (so if for example another ability or spell would make a creature indestructible, that indestructible creature could not be made destructible with Sudden Spoiling), the thing that makes Blightsteel indestructible is the ability printed on Blightsteel - which can be suppressed with Sudden Spoiling.

The M14 rules change addresses exactly that discrepancy - now indestructibility on a permanent acts the same regardless of the original source.
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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2013, 05:26:11 pm »

So BSC, as of M14 (and even now) would lose indestructibility due to sudden spoiling, correct?
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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2013, 03:36:47 pm »

Blightsteel Colosssus has the ability, "Blightsteel Colossus is indestructible."  Sudden Spoiling removes this ability.  Without it, nothing makes the Colosssus indestructible, so it's not indestructible.
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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2013, 09:30:48 am »

1. A Marit Lage token generated from dark depths would still be indestructible under current rules after having sudden spoiling cast on it, yes?

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=121155

2. Would this change after the M14 rules come into effect?
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2013, 02:16:13 pm »

1. Unfortunately no.
While the printed text on the card suggests yes, the card was errated from "... put a indestructible legendary 20/20..." to read: "...put a legendary 20/20 black Avatar creature token with flying and "This creature is indestructible" named Marit Lage onto the battlefield."

With that the land is creating a creature token and giving that token an ability that makes the creature indestructible. Thus putting it in the same situation as Blightsteel.

2. No change aside from that they could now change the text again to read "...put a legendary 20/20 black Avatar creature token with flying and indestructible named Marit Lage onto the battlefield." without changing the functionality.
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