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For anyone who's ever searched Gatherer and then cursed the fact that Uktabi Kong isn't legal, I present Bane of Progress:  Bane of Progress 4GG Creature - Elemental When Bane of Progress enters the battlefield, destroy all artifacts and enchantments. Put a +1/+1 counter on Bane of Progress for each permanent destroyed in this way. I'm not a huge Oath or Dredge player, but I have to assume this has serious sideboard applications against Shops. It is a tad awkward that it kills your Oath, but probably leaves you with a 2-3 turn clock and all your mana free and them with an empty board. |
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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2013, 12:31:40 am » |
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This occurred to me too when I saw it, but I'm not sure it's going to be good enough. The main problem I see with it is that in addition to destroying your Oath, it will kill all your mana rocks too, which are pretty useful when playing under Sphere effects. Obviously the hope is that this guy would end the game and you wouldn't need to play under more spheres, but I'd be worried that my opponent might drop a tangle wire or smokestack and this will too slow to outrace it. I have a feeling that it just won't be big enough in most cases.
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2013, 01:06:36 am » |
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Duplicant can do serious damage if you don't have a counter. Other than that, this is a nice board sweeper. Also take under advisement that Wurmcoil still gives tokens.
Looks like a bad Oath target.
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2013, 07:20:17 am » |
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Natural Order. Not good enough yet, but pushing the edges of realistic.
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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2013, 07:28:05 am » |
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Duplicant can do serious damage if you don't have a counter. Other than that, this is a nice board sweeper. Also take under advisement that Wurmcoil still gives tokens.
Looks like a bad Oath target.
Duplicant will be a 2/2. |
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2013, 09:24:16 am » |
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Duplicant can do serious damage if you don't have a counter. Other than that, this is a nice board sweeper. Also take under advisement that Wurmcoil still gives tokens.
Looks like a bad Oath target.
Duplicant will be a 2/2. Yes I know, but the threat is gone and you can't keep Oathing this thing, it will be less powerfull. |
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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2013, 09:33:17 am » |
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Duplicant can do serious damage if you don't have a counter. Other than that, this is a nice board sweeper. Also take under advisement that Wurmcoil still gives tokens.
Looks like a bad Oath target.
Duplicant will be a 2/2. Yes I know, but the threat is gone and you can't keep Oathing this thing, it will be less powerfull. The Oath will also be gone. |
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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2013, 09:51:03 am » |
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This just isn't strong enough to beat shops, if you are worried about spheres you'd be significantly better off oathing into Emrakul (hoping you hit dragon breath) against them. Destroying your own oath and moxen is a serious detriment to him. He is also a terribly slow clock since he has no evasive abilities and as such each orchard activation during the game has effectively bought them a turn. If he had been costed at a few more mana and hence made more powerful there would be potential, but as is I just don't see it.
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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2013, 11:02:18 am » |
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Natural Order. Not good enough yet, but pushing the edges of realistic.
This is like, the only realistic reason why this guy even remotely deserves a thread. As to all other points: that big dragon from Ravnica block that stole all the artifacts is way better than this dork. And speaking of Natural Order, between Progenitus, Tyrant of Jund, Terrastadon, and this guy, I wonder if Duck is right; the green Tinker is close to playable. |
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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2013, 12:59:06 pm » |
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really...?
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« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2013, 03:15:33 pm » |
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really...? Natural Order is a thing in Legacy...from time to time. The issue is that any critter good enough to get us playing Natural Order in Vintage probably cracks Legacy in half. |
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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2013, 03:40:59 pm » |
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It seems playable to me. It's a Terastodon that's hardcastable.
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2013, 07:26:16 pm » |
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I'd rather just oath up a Woodripper versus shops.
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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2013, 07:50:28 pm » |
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Natural Order. Not good enough yet, but pushing the edges of realistic.
This is like, the only realistic reason why this guy even remotely deserves a thread. As to all other points: that big dragon from Ravnica block that stole all the artifacts is way better than this dork. And speaking of Natural Order, between Progenitus, Tyrant of Jund, Terrastadon, and this guy, I wonder if Duck is right; the green Tinker is close to playable. I'm trying to think of a reason to run Karrthus instead of Hellkite Overlord. Overlord has trample, firebreathing, and a regenerate ability. Unless the shops you're usually facing are heavy on Steel Hellkite...? |
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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2013, 10:29:50 pm » |
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Flash - 1U, instant shatterstorm+tranquility.
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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2013, 12:39:25 am » |
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Possible Sideboard card for Elves!
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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2013, 12:57:34 am » |
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Flash - 1U, instant shatterstorm+tranquility.
That's a nice use of this guy,but i miss +1/+1 counters.Show and Tell would also come. |
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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2013, 08:57:21 am » |
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It can be an option in certain situations that Woodripper cannot handle. And Show and Tell best friend (if you ever manage to cast it under Spherestorm). Can wreck strategies like Burning Oath, TurboTezz, and such clearing the table. I like it  |
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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2013, 12:05:33 pm » |
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Steel Hellkite is the only card that could make me think I'd rather have this than Griselbrand.
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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2013, 07:14:52 pm » |
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Steel Hellkite is the only card that could make me think I'd rather have this than Griselbrand.
really? I've definitely had oath active when I've been sphere'd out only to have my shop opponent cast multiple duplicant/metamorph in the following turns, killing all of my dudes. More than once. I even remember thinking, "man if only I could oath out some sort of super woodripper" when shops were at their height in my area. I don't like that it blows up enchantments, but getting a bajillion for one in ca is appealing. And you'll likely have a grip of suddenly playable spells to help you find a new oath if something does end up happening to your super value super huge guy. I'm pretty sure its playable. I don't think it will be omnipresent in oath boards though. |
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« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2013, 09:08:43 pm » |
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This guy might just be a blow out against that affinity deck, still getting played in the philly area from time to time.
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« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2013, 09:52:18 pm » |
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This guy might just be a blow out against that affinity deck, still getting played in the philly area from time to time.
It is quite good there. That deck also was played by Mr. Becker at GenCon to continued success. I believe he won two events on it. |
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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2013, 10:49:49 am » |
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I don't think its playable in Oath, but it could be a sideboard piece in a G/R or even a straight green null rod-esque deck.
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