VINTAGE on Magic Online is announced!!!

[Nefarias]

Conspiracy won't be released on MTGO, so most of the Eternal legal, non-reprints will likely be in as a way to get them online.

They also announced that there's no Modern legal cards in the set, so no Confidant, Lodestone, Jace, or Snapcaster, to name a few.

And in regards to drafting, a lot of the commons/uncommons will likely be fringe-at-best cards that build the limited format. See: Avian Changeling or Blind-Spot Giant in MMA. They've already stated that red will largely be Goblins, for example.

[Hrishi]

They also announced that there's no Modern legal cards in the set, so no Confidant, Lodestone, Jace, or Snapcaster, to name a few.

Jace is not modern legal. I would not be surprised to see Jace in there.

[gkraigher]

they reprinted jace in the from the vaults, which were available for $30 on MODO for a while.   It was free money if you bought that and had a time period to wait a little.

[Nefarias]

They also announced that there's no Modern legal cards in the set, so no Confidant, Lodestone, Jace, or Snapcaster, to name a few.

Jace is not modern legal. I would not be surprised to see Jace in there.

Heh, I suppose you're right.

[nedleeds]

$2600 primary market price for more than a complete playset of everything vintage online would be an absolute bargain.

I just ... I ... maybe I'm just old ... statements like this blow my mind. They may be based in reality but all I can think of is the actual cards a person could buy, and I can't possibly understand why you'd buy database rows.

[Klep]

One thing I'm going to have to do is actually learn how to use the program.  I've successfully gone this long without once trying to play anything on Magic Online, but it looks like those days are done.

[bactgudz]

$2600 primary market price for more than a complete playset of everything vintage online would be an absolute bargain.

I just ... I ... maybe I'm just old ... statements like this blow my mind. They may be based in reality but all I can think of is the actual cards a person could buy, and I can't possibly understand why you'd buy database rows.

You don't need a playset of Vintage to play Vintage. Heck, that's cheaper than the secondary market price of a playset of standard.

[KrauserKrauser]

One thing I'm going to have to do is actually learn how to use the program.  I've successfully gone this long without once trying to play anything on Magic Online, but it looks like those days are done.

Prepare to lose a series of games by misreading on screen prompts and clicking the wrong button.

The beta does not make this any better, though you might as well start with that version of the program.

[dangerlinto]

$2600 primary market price for more than a complete playset of everything vintage online would be an absolute bargain.

I just ... I ... maybe I'm just old ... statements like this blow my mind. They may be based in reality but all I can think of is the actual cards a person could buy, and I can't possibly understand why you'd buy database rows.

Can't have a thread about online without someone bringing this up.  Sad really.

You don't need a playset of Vintage to play Vintage. Heck, that's cheaper than the secondary market price of a playset of standard.

Was about to say the same thing but you beat me to it.  Stop that
 

[Klep]

One thing I'm going to have to do is actually learn how to use the program.  I've successfully gone this long without once trying to play anything on Magic Online, but it looks like those days are done.

Prepare to lose a series of games by misreading on screen prompts and clicking the wrong button.

The beta does not make this any better, though you might as well start with that version of the program.

I'm not going to use the beta until absolutely necessary.  Nothing I've heard about it makes it sound like a piece of software I want anywhere near hardware I own.

I was thinking to get used to the program I'd buy the Momir Basic thing and play around with that.   

[nedleeds]

Can't have a thread about online without someone bringing this up.  Sad really.

Maybe, I think it's sad that people with $2,500-3,000 in discretionary income would sink it into online assets instead of real cards with which to come out and enjoy the experience that is a vintage Magic tournament. Times we live in, get off my lawn, etc.

[Klep]

Can't have a thread about online without someone bringing this up.  Sad really.

Maybe, I think it's sad that people with $2,500-3,000 in discretionary income would sink it into online assets instead of real cards with which to come out and enjoy the experience that is a vintage Magic tournament. Times we live in, get off my lawn, etc.

I've already got the real cards, so *shrug*.  The real question for me is precisely how much I'm going to have to spend.  If it's anything more than a small fraction of what I paid for the physical cards, that's too much.  This is an arena where the supply is as large as Wizards wants it to be, so there's no reason for Vintage to be any more cost-prohibitive online than Legacy or Modern.

[Hrishi]

Can't have a thread about online without someone bringing this up.  Sad really.

Maybe, I think it's sad that people with $2,500-3,000 in discretionary income would sink it into online assets instead of real cards with which to come out and enjoy the experience that is a vintage Magic tournament. Times we live in, get off my lawn, etc.

Isn't it just as ridiculous as sinking that money into cardboard when you can enjoy these tournaments with proxies just as well? There is something like one sanctioned tournament all year. In the end, disposable income is there for recreation, in whatever form of your choosing.

EDIT : To clarify, I'm just saying that not everybody lives in a place where Vintage is very active, so for some this is the only option!

[nedleeds]

Can't have a thread about online without someone bringing this up.  Sad really.

Maybe, I think it's sad that people with $2,500-3,000 in discretionary income would sink it into online assets instead of real cards with which to come out and enjoy the experience that is a vintage Magic tournament. Times we live in, get off my lawn, etc.

I've already got the real cards, so *shrug*.  The real question for me is precisely how much I'm going to have to spend.  If it's anything more than a small fraction of what I paid for the physical cards, that's too much.  This is an arena where the supply is as large as Wizards wants it to be, so there's no reason for Vintage to be any more cost-prohibitive online than Legacy or Modern.

Fair enough, I own everything in a 4 of as well. I just wish the money would be directed towards real magic but everyone's life / location / work family situation is different. So maybe online magic is better for some folks.

Isn't it just as ridiculous as sinking that money into cardboard when you can enjoy these tournaments with proxies just as well? There is something like one sanctioned tournament all year. In the end, disposable income is there for recreation, in whatever form of your choosing.

Yeah I mean you can blow your money on coke, hookers and mayonnaise ... it's none of my business. But in looking at it as a 1-to-1 choice (which in many cases won't apply) I guess I'd rather have the person who owns no power get real cards instead of database rows for my own selfish needs, which is having better attendance at sanctioned vintage events. Proxies only go so far, a) they make the events kind of bleh, and b) some are limited proxy (10 proxy, etc.). Also owning actual appreciating assets increases (IMHO) the individual players commitment to the format and I think might compel them to travel a bit for events.

Anyway, I think the whole thing can only be a net positive for Vintage ... even if it's just exposure to the depth of the format. Maybe some people get a taste online and get motivated to come out and play real vintage magic in actual life.

[AmbivalentDuck]

$2600 primary market price for more than a complete playset of everything vintage online would be an absolute bargain.

I just ... I ... maybe I'm just old ... statements like this blow my mind. They may be based in reality but all I can think of is the actual cards a person could buy, and I can't possibly understand why you'd buy database rows.

Because of the Reserve List. Wizards will create new unique Lotii if you spend enough online. No new Lotii are being printed on cardboard (except maybe by the Chinese) so while YOU might buy in for $X, the next guy will have to spend slightly more to liberate his power from the hands of a collector with no intention of actually playing with the card.

EDIT: What actually blows my mind is that this creates a market. Ie. Klep being willing to play on MTGO, but not Cockatrice. It's no more illegal to play on Cockatrice than to move card images around in your browser window. Cockatrice itself was a touch too specific to be legally identical to a virtual table and got taken down because of it, but it's not in any sense illegal to use.

[Klep]

EDIT: What actually blows my mind is that this creates a market. Ie. Klep being willing to play on MTGO, but not Cockatrice. It's no more illegal to play on Cockatrice than to move card images around in your browser window. Cockatrice itself was a touch too specific to be legally identical to a virtual table and got taken down because of it, but it's not in any sense illegal to use.

It isn't just Vintage that's drawing me to MTGO.  It's an accumulation of a number of things, and this is just the final straw.  Being able to draft even if I don't feel up to going out to the local store is attractive, as is the ability to cube more regularly, and I've also wanted to try out Momir Basic. 

[Hrishi]

But in looking at it as a 1-to-1 choice (which in many cases won't apply) I guess I'd rather have the person who owns no power get real cards instead of database rows for my own selfish needs, which is having better attendance at sanctioned vintage events. Proxies only go so far, a) they make the events kind of bleh, and b) some are limited proxy (10 proxy, etc.). Also owning actual appreciating assets increases (IMHO) the individual players commitment to the format and I think might compel them to travel a bit for events.

Completely agree! I'm in the position of picking between paper and online, and I went with paper. But it does help that I have a very active vintage community where I live, so I can see why people might choose the latter.

[gkraigher]

Momir Basis is a fun way to kill time.  And you can do it between rounds. 

[worstbandnameever]

I agree that I would rather own real power, which I do, over digital cards.  But, I think this is a good thing for vintage.  I'm sure this will push some deck building and we will see some new, if only minor, innovations with more people playing the format.  I am hoping this boosts the attendance at proxy and sanctioned events as well.

[gkraigher]

I expect there to be a lot of innovation in the format with the induction of Foreign players to vintage.  It sounds weird, but if you have ever played on the pro tour, or even just watched pro tour matches, you will see differences in the way people of different cultures play and approach the game.  From lines of play to deck building

I think there will be an influx of innovation from our Chinese, Brazilian, Japanese, Russian counterparts who love the game as much as we do, but have no real way of playing Vintage competitively.  That is, until now. 

Plus, all the Pro's play online too.  We will be picking up a few of them too.  It's going to be exciting.  And if you've noticed the price of Vintage paper cards since this announcement, I think you'll see the direction this is going to take us. 

Vintage will only grow in popularity once it gets released online. 

They are making the Power 9 super rare out of the get go, but they will be giving out promos and foil promos over time.  Just like they have with all the other staples in formats. 

[Soly]

I'm excited about this because of the fact that we might FINALLY be able to break the "the format is all Turn 1 kills, derp" mantra.   I know LSV and Ochoa love vintage, as does Conley, so I would imagine they would play.  I'm somewhat close to Adrian Sullivan (From the old SS Days with I@n and Tommy Kolowith, etc), so I could probably convince him to innovate a little as well.

Not to mention Steve and Brian doing videos.

[wiley]

Not to mention Steve and Brian doing videos.

This is the thing I'm most interested in.  I won't be buying into magic online at the get go, largely due to monetary reasons.  However, I can see the benefit it will have when anyone can spectate a match of vintage at any time.  There will also be people posting new lists that can show videos of test games instead of typing up shortened summaries.

There are also projects like Caleb's Banned series for legacy that can be repeated for vintage.  Overall I am excited for the future of vintage.

[H]

It all depends on how much it will cost to buy in to the Blue staples for me.

I own all the real cards, but am incredibly poor, so buying several thousand dollars in digital "cards" just isn't going to work for me.

As life events conspire more and more to make playing in person often difficult, I have to admit being able to play Vintage from home rather appealing.

[Soly]

It all depends on how much it will cost to buy in to the Blue staples for me.

I own all the real cards, but am incredibly poor, so buying several thousand dollars in digital "cards" just isn't going to work for me.

As life events conspire more and more to make playing in person often difficult, I have to admit being able to play Vintage from home rather appealing.

I'm just going to put maybe 500 into Magic Online, and DRAFT THE FUCK out of this set.

[dangerlinto]

It all depends on how much it will cost to buy in to the Blue staples for me.

I own all the real cards, but am incredibly poor, so buying several thousand dollars in digital "cards" just isn't going to work for me.

As life events conspire more and more to make playing in person often difficult, I have to admit being able to play Vintage from home rather appealing.

I'm just going to put maybe 500 into Magic Online, and DRAFT THE FUCK out of this set.

Well, depending how good you are at limited (especially without the help of 20,000 strategy articles - MTGO-only formats don't often get that kind of attention) you may want to sink a little more in.  $7 packs means about, what, 24 drafts?  72 packs?  That's 1 piece of power on average.

Of course, if you are winning packs, that money might go much further.  Since I generally suck, I will probably spend more, but then I've been saving essentially for 4 years.

[H]

Well, depending how good you are at limited (especially without the help of 20,000 strategy articles - MTGO-only formats don't often get that kind of attention) you may want to sink a little more in.  $7 packs means about, what, 24 drafts?  72 packs?  That's 1 piece of power on average.

Of course, if you are winning packs, that money might go much further.  Since I generally suck, I will probably spend more, but then I've been saving essentially for 4 years.

I was never particularly good at Limited, but I was decent at Time Spiral limited, I think because the older mechanics made more sense to me.  I am probably just deluding myself though.  I'd probably be a lot worse now, more because everyone else is overall better at Limited now-a-days.

[boggyb]

Also how bonerjammed are you gonna be if you open a Timetwister as your ultra-mega-mythic? Someone should lead an internet campaign to oust Twister in favor of Vault.

[Hrishi]

Vault is already available online while Timetwister is not.

[Zherbus]

Time Vault's pretty cheap. I doubt such a campaign would rally many crusaders.

[gkraigher]

Buying $500 worth of tickets online (I suggest saying you live in the state of Georgia where their is no sales tax added on the price of the tickets), the best strategy to draft is actually Swiss Drafts.  The pack # payouts are the same net as 8-4 drafts, and 1 more pack than 4-3-2-2.  Plus the competition tends to be a little lighter.

I went "infinite" with this strategy and about 54 packs of RtR I won in a premier event once.  8-4s are tempting, and winning them is awesome--so is splitting one--but the best way to go infinite is Swiss and lots of money!