[CNS]Dack Fayden

[Saya]

We've had a left-half of the new UR planeswalker card contained in Conspiracy and considered his abilities.

＋1 may be a 2 cards looter.Not bad.
-2 is notable;it has only a line,which is too narrow to include a proviso "until end of turn"!Some players think that -2 lets us gain control of a noncreature-artifact permanently.
-6 is kinda mistery.All we know is that it consists of 3 lines.

And his cost seems to be 1UR - if you doubt,just enter Konami-commands at
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1430

Thoughts?

EDIT:I put a full screen announced by Wizards.Thanks,AmbivalentDuck - 4/22

[tito del monte]

I'm no templating expert, but as he's the "greatest thief in the multiverse", I suspect his emblem is something like: "Whenever a spell is cast with a single target, you choose the target of that spell".

Seems fun and all that, and WOTC have said he will be pushed in power level as he's not standard legal. But he seems to fall down at the first hurdle: He has no way of protecting himself.

Also, Dack Fayden has to be the lamest name this side of Jar Jar Binks. 

[bactgudz]

I would think it's more like 'Whenever you cast a spell that targets a single permanent,counter that spell and gain control of that permanent'

[MaximumCDawg]

No point is speculating.   The MTG Salvation threads are all over that and the internet detective work going on to spoil the set.  We don't have much to talk about until the work is done.

There's reason to hope we will have something at the end worth talking about, though, because conspiracy is a "direct to eternal" release.  Fingers crossed!

[msg67183]

There is a full image of the card I have seen here:

http://m.imgur.com/yLrPSoK

[bactgudz]

There is a full image of the card I have seen here:

http://m.imgur.com/yLrPSoK

that's a mockup someone posted on salvation forums

[bactgudz]

No point is speculating.   The MTG Salvation threads are all over that and the internet detective work going on to spoil the set.  We don't have much to talk about until the work is done.

There's reason to hope we will have something at the end worth talking about, though, because conspiracy is a "direct to eternal" release.  Fingers crossed!

Of course there is point in speculating...it's entertaining.

[AmbivalentDuck]

For the moment, assume:

+1: Careful Study.
-2: Steal an artifact.
-6: Spells in vintage that target permanents destroy them, so we don't care unless the starting loyalty is 5+.

Is this good enough to bring back reanimator? Likely not. Dredge is better at that angle anyways. This is plausibly playable with Welder, though.

[TheWhiteDragon]

Dack Fayden - 1UR

+1: Target player draws 4 cards, then discards two cards.

-2: Gain control of target player's next turn.

-6: You get an emblem that says whenever a player casts a spell that targets a single target, you may choose a new target for that spell.


They did say they were pushing the power envelope with this.  Boy, were they telling the truth!  This guy is awesome

[bactgudz]

Dack Fayden - 1UR

+1: Target player draws 4 cards, then discards two cards.

-2: Gain control of target player's next turn.

-6: You get an emblem that says whenever a player casts a spell that targets a single target, you may choose a new target for that spell.


They did say they were pushing the power envelope with this.  Boy, were they telling the truth!  This guy is awesome

Why would you ever ultimate that guy, it's got to be better designed than that.

[AmbivalentDuck]

Dack Fayden - 1UR

+1: Target player draws 4 cards, then discards two cards.

-2: Gain control of target player's next turn.

-6: You get an emblem that says whenever a player casts a spell that targets a single target, you may choose a new target for that spell.

Source? Seems extremely unlikely given that they just printed that -2 as a  sorcery. If nothing else, it would have to be restricted in vintage and pre-banned in EDH and Legacy.

[MaximumCDawg]

Duck, I think he's kidding around.

Anyway, since 90% of Planeswalker ultimates might as well read "win the game," I'm not very concerned about that.  The spoilers so far make it almost certain we're getting:

+1 Faithless Looting (Careful study to us old folks, but the clue was about looting)
-2 Gain control of an artifact (Dack's a thief)

And we also learned just recently that he does cost 1UR.

Assuming that's true, I'm calling it playable and potentially quite good.  It digs into your deck for a +1 ability, protects itself at least against some creatures, and may be on par with Predator against shops.  (Predator hits more times in a row, but it takes a turn to get going.) 

[Eastman]

Duck, I think he's kidding around.

Anyway, since 90% of Planeswalker ultimates might as well read "win the game," I'm not very concerned about that.  The spoilers so far make it almost certain we're getting:

+1 Faithless Looting (Careful study to us old folks, but the clue was about looting)
-2 Gain control of an artifact (Dack's a thief)

And we also learned just recently that he does cost 1UR.

Assuming that's true, I'm calling it playable and potentially quite good.  It digs into your deck for a +1 ability, protects itself at least against some creatures, and may be on par with Predator against shops.  (Predator hits more times in a row, but it takes a turn to get going.)  

If it does those things it will be playable I think. Seeing two cards is seeing two cards, always good. And stealing an artifact is at least for vintage nearly as valuable as bouncing a creature. Sometimes more. A planeswalker at 3cc with those abilities would be sick.

[serracollector]

I hope this guy steals artifacts. Using him alongside tezz  two could lead to some very quick wins.

[Protoaddict]

All I care about right now is starting loyalty before I start judging this guy. Even more so than abilities, a planeswalkers viability in vintage has been first determined by his ability to live past a bolt, and then by it's abilities. A walker with good loyalty and good CMC and average abilities will most likely see play well before Nissa or Tibalt, and Tibalt is sorta in this guys wheelhouse right? At least based on what we know.

If his starting loyalty is 2 hes not seeing play. I mean yes you can play him and steal something, but there are other ways to do that already. He wont be able to get bigger than a bolt and thats a huge deal

If his starting loyalty is 3 he could be viable, but probably only in a deck that REALLY needs to loot and has potential to use the other 2 abilities. As has been mentioned, looting is strong but not if your investing a card in only doing that over several turns. If looting was so important to the game then Faithless looting would probably see more play right?

If his starting is 4, then WOTC is losing their minds, but chances are he will be viable just off abilities one and 3. looting is good, we know that, and the ultimate can almost be somewhat of a trivial advantage but its an emblem so it will get amplified a lot.

I'll go ahead and go on record as saying repeatable looting is probably very, very strong in gush control builds, so I could see him having a home there. As opposed to Jace who you need to tuck lands away with a fetch, he tosses them in the yard for Crucible. Well, if he does do what we think he does.

[AmbivalentDuck]

Fully spoiled:


Image URL is from Wizards.

[vaughnbros]

I'm not sure how playable he is main deck as his second ability and ult are rather narrow while his +1 isn't back breaking.

Edit: Nevermind wrong set.

[AmbivalentDuck]

Except that the full set is spoiled and hes not in it...

Look at the expansion symbol...

[boggyb]

That's insane. Are you serious right now? Grixis Welder control just got a serious shot of nitro, bro.

[diopter]

Badass.

Also, a non-creature Vintage playable released in the same timeframe as Theros block!

[msg67183]

FANTASTIC! Welcome to Vintage Dack Fayden!
Tinker for BSC just got worse haha.

[Saya]

this is just an insane planeswalker...

[diopter]

How insane would it be to loot into Welder discarding Sundering Titan, play the Welder, then steal a Mox and weld it into a Titan???

[brianpk80]

As good as Jace, arguably better. 

[diopter]

As good as Jace, arguably better. 

What context though? As awesome as the -2 is, I can't see the whole package dropping into any old Force of Will shell like Jace.

[brianpk80]

As good as Jace, arguably better.  

What context though? As awesome as the -2 is, I can't see the whole package dropping into any old Force of Will shell like Jace.

Goblin Welder based Vault combo / neo-Slaver.  There are top performing decks running Magus of the Unseen in the sideboard despite its summoning sickness and activation cost to do what this guy can do on the spot for 1UR and stick around for more.  Card is bonkers.

[diopter]

As good as Jace, arguably better. 

What context though? As awesome as the -2 is, I can't see the whole package dropping into any old Force of Will shell like Jace.

Goblin Welder based Vault combo / neo-Slaver.  There are top performing decks running Magus of the Unseen in the sideboard despite its summoning sickness and activation cost to do what this guy can do on the spot for 1UR and stick around for more.  Card is bonkers.

For sure, it will be incredible. The synergy with Welder is nice but the ability against Shops is the raison d'être.

Said deck will probably still run equal numbers Jace though. Few things pull you from behind in a combo-blue on combo-blue matchup like resolving Jace.

[MaximumCDawg]

Dack is very good.  Almost certainly Vintage playable.  However, I calling him Jace goes too far.  Dack fits into fewer decks and has a smigdin less general utility.  He's pretty boring versus fish or combo if you have an empty grip, for instance.

[brianpk80]

I'd rather resolve Yawgmoth's Will, and look at what this guy does for that.

He's not mutually exclusive with Jace in any shell.  But this guy seems more geared towards an aggressive Steel City Vault style of play.  The fact that his CMC is 1 less than Jace is huge.  

Dack fits into fewer decks and has a smigdin less general utility.  He's pretty boring versus fish or combo if you have an empty grip, for instance.

Think bigger.  This isn't a card to cram into a pre-existing shell and directly compare to Jace in terms roles currently occupied by the latter.  It's a revival for Slaver/Welder combo control, on par with unrestricting Thirst for Knowledge.  It would take an extreme failure of imagination for this card to not fuel the most powerful Vault deck we've seen in years. 

[serracollector]

Not just welder material here ppl. He also is absolutely nuts in rug gush. He pumps goyf or ooze provides fodder for snap casters and if you get his ultimate off you can pyroblast anything to steal it. He would also be incredibly crazy in a painter grindstone shell running welder and reb and pyro. Also the interaction with the artifact that changes anything into artifacts is ridiculous. I am absolutely in love with this card. I really hope its not a million dollars a copy.