How to beat BUG with stax prison

[hashswag]

The bottom line is that judges should be able to pull the "poor-sportmanship" card.

Beware: next opponent to storm me to death, to give me a smile full of compassion (and relief)... and, who will eventually ask me out of courtesy:  "fluster?... Trap?..."

I will say to you with a smug look on my face: "no, but thanks for passing priority. A real bummer you didn't actually announce your storm trigger".

Yeah, that will go well. Good MTG skills and the best is that the judge will be powerless.

Great example.

[Samoht]

The bottom line is that judges should be able to pull the "poor-sportmanship" card.

Beware: next opponent to storm me to death, to give me a smile full of compassion (and relief)... and, who will eventually ask me out of courtesy:  "fluster?... Trap?..."

I will say to you with a smug look on my face: "no, but thanks for passing priority. A real bummer you didn't actually announce your storm trigger".

Yeah, that will go well. Good MTG skills and the best is that the judge will be powerless.

Great example.

It's actually not. He'd need to say something like move to combat or move to end step if we're in main 2 to actually game the opponent here. I think you misunderstand the trigger policy. You could ask for Flusterstorm or Mindbreak Trap before resolving the pending trigger and that wouldn't close your opportunity to trigger it after it was denied because the opponent HAS to get priority after the Storm trigger or Stifle wouldn't work. The window hasn't been lost to resolve Storm. The problem here is that a player asked to draw a card for turn which specifically means leaving the phase and forgetting the trigger. If you tried to do this, your opponent would just be reminded by you to put the trigger on the stack. The semantics are important when trying to work the rules like this. I agree that this is silly and that I view it as unsporting - but the IPG doesn't and that's really what matters when it comes to a judges ability to enforce things.

[jyuj]

(I have a lot more to say, a whole rant, which I will write up once I get home from work, and I cant watch the video yet)
If this happened to me, as soon as the draw took place, I would call a judge. Explain I had a trigger on the stack, and that my opponent drew a card in the up keep. 100% insta loss of game. There is no other way to rule it.      

[hashswag]

The bottom line is that judges should be able to pull the "poor-sportmanship" card.

Beware: next opponent to storm me to death, to give me a smile full of compassion (and relief)... and, who will eventually ask me out of courtesy:  "fluster?... Trap?..."

I will say to you with a smug look on my face: "no, but thanks for passing priority. A real bummer you didn't actually announce your storm trigger".

Yeah, that will go well. Good MTG skills and the best is that the judge will be powerless.

Great example.

It's actually not. He'd need to say something like move to combat or move to end step if we're in main 2 to actually game the opponent here. I think you misunderstand the trigger policy. You could ask for Flusterstorm or Mindbreak Trap before resolving the pending trigger and that wouldn't close your opportunity to trigger it after it was denied because the opponent HAS to get priority after the Storm trigger or Stifle wouldn't work. The window hasn't been lost to resolve Storm. The problem here is that a player asked to draw a card for turn which specifically means leaving the phase and forgetting the trigger. If you tried to do this, your opponent would just be reminded by you to put the trigger on the stack. The semantics are important when trying to work the rules like this. I agree that this is silly and that I view it as unsporting - but the IPG doesn't and that's really what matters when it comes to a judges ability to enforce things.

Not having a go at you here, but the fact that it took 5-6 lines to explain that really goes to show how much you need to learn and understand just to avoid being taken advantage of by cheats. I have no interest in a game where I have to be looking over my shoulder for bloody social engineering cons rather than just thinking about the game state in front of me, especially if the rules boil down to "oh it's fine, he's allowed to cheat you if you don't realise until it's too late."

[Samoht]

The bottom line is that judges should be able to pull the "poor-sportmanship" card.

Beware: next opponent to storm me to death, to give me a smile full of compassion (and relief)... and, who will eventually ask me out of courtesy:  "fluster?... Trap?..."

I will say to you with a smug look on my face: "no, but thanks for passing priority. A real bummer you didn't actually announce your storm trigger".

Yeah, that will go well. Good MTG skills and the best is that the judge will be powerless.

Great example.

It's actually not. He'd need to say something like move to combat or move to end step if we're in main 2 to actually game the opponent here. I think you misunderstand the trigger policy. You could ask for Flusterstorm or Mindbreak Trap before resolving the pending trigger and that wouldn't close your opportunity to trigger it after it was denied because the opponent HAS to get priority after the Storm trigger or Stifle wouldn't work. The window hasn't been lost to resolve Storm. The problem here is that a player asked to draw a card for turn which specifically means leaving the phase and forgetting the trigger. If you tried to do this, your opponent would just be reminded by you to put the trigger on the stack. The semantics are important when trying to work the rules like this. I agree that this is silly and that I view it as unsporting - but the IPG doesn't and that's really what matters when it comes to a judges ability to enforce things.

Not having a go at you here, but the fact that it took 5-6 lines to explain that really goes to show how much you need to learn and understand just to avoid being taken advantage of by cheats. I have no interest in a game where I have to be looking over my shoulder for bloody social engineering cons rather than just thinking about the game state in front of me, especially if the rules boil down to "oh it's fine, he's allowed to cheat you if you don't realise until it's too late."

Please stop using the word cheat. It's not cheating. It's ethically problematic relative to the person who is understanding the context but it is not against the rules. I understand your frustration but Cheating is different than working the rules to your advantage. I agree that it is not something that I enjoy being a part of the system but it is part of the system and people can work it as such.

[Samoht]

(I have a lot more to say, a whole rant, which I will write up once I get home from work, and I cant watch the video yet)
If this happened to me, as soon as the draw took place, I would call a judge. Explain I had a trigger on the stack, and that my opponent drew a card in the up keep. 100% insta loss of game. There is no other way to rule it.      

You're wrong Mickey. He asks if he can draw for turn, and thus that is what happened. it's not drawn in the upkeep nor is it a game loss for drawing extra cards. He is supposed to draw a card every turn. As per the rules, the trigger happened in the upkeep and the Shops player missed it by passing priority and moving to Draw step without resolving it. I don't disagree with you that it's a line I'm uncomfortable with but it is legal to take it.

[Prospero]

We're at the point where nothing productive can come from discussing this further.  Locked.