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« on: December 10, 2014, 08:46:08 pm » |
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I've seen LSV make some pretty cool Vintage videos, and some SCG writers have made some less than good Vintage videos, but this would be a good place to share Vintage streams or at least good Vintage videos from streams.
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Minkar
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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2014, 09:25:29 pm » |
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Outside of LSV's videos, the only videos for Vintage i've seen are either silent/outsider spectated tournament games, or the Vintage Super League. Would love to see the thought processes explained throughout the game from the player's perspective
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Smmenen
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2014, 09:44:08 pm » |
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that's what i do on my stream. I have a bunch of archived videos that do play-by-play analysis. * Delver v. Merfolk: Play-By-Play explanation: http://www.twitch.tv/smmenen/c/5248922* Delver v. Workshop: What NOT to do: http://www.twitch.tv/smmenen/c/5608661* I have a number of my VSL videos archived with play-by-play explanations/analysis: - VSL Week 2 Match (Doomsday): http://www.twitch.tv/smmenen/c/5106251- VSL Week 3 Match (Doomsday): http://www.twitch.tv/smmenen/c/5145933 (Game 1), and http://www.twitch.tv/smmenen/c/5145944 (Games 2& 3) - VSL Week 4 Match (Delver v. Terra Nova MUD): http://www.twitch.tv/smmenen/c/5145476- VSL Finals, Match 1, Game 1: http://www.twitch.tv/smmenen/c/5608587 - VSL Finals, Match 1, Game 2 & 3: http://www.twitch.tv/smmenen/c/5608614- VSL Finals, Match 2, Game 1: http://www.twitch.tv/smmenen/c/5608614And, if you just want a laugh, this is a hilarious match against Dredge (followed by an even funnier match against Stasis): http://www.twitch.tv/smmenen/b/597674913 |
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2014, 07:21:49 am » |
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I've been hoping for something like this for a while. I will have to learn how to make these videos, every now and then I do something right!
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Minkar
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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2014, 10:50:40 am » |
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that's what i do on my stream. I have a bunch of archived videos that do play-by-play analysis.
Sweet, this is exactly what i was looking for. thanks for the links! |
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2014, 10:58:03 am » |
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I'd love to see more Vintage streams. I also generally love watching Menedian's replays where he explains the scenarios in his head. I gotta admit, though, I clicked over to your "hilarious" podcast and had to turn if off pretty quick, Steve. In the first few minutes we saw a rare moment of emotional vulnerability as you described accidentially deleting of some of your old streams and, as soon as the game started against Dredge, you left to get a drink for a few minutes. Not exactly gripping television.  |
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Minkar
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2014, 11:05:56 am » |
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I gotta admit, though, I clicked over to your "hilarious" podcast and had to turn if off pretty quick, Steve. In the first few minutes we saw a rare moment of emotional vulnerability as you described accidentially deleting of some of your old streams and, as soon as the game started against Dredge, you left to get a drink for a few minutes. Not exactly gripping television. I was kinda hesitant to continue watching too but it was pretty good after that moment  |
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Smmenen
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2014, 02:03:44 pm » |
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I'd love to see more Vintage streams. I also generally love watching Menedian's replays where he explains the scenarios in his head. I gotta admit, though, I clicked over to your "hilarious" podcast and had to turn if off pretty quick, Steve. In the first few minutes we saw a rare moment of emotional vulnerability as you described accidentially deleting of some of your old streams and, as soon as the game started against Dredge, you left to get a drink for a few minutes. Not exactly gripping television. That's probably my favorite stream ever, so your loss I guess  When I turn broadcasts into 'highlights' I edit out the bits like that. But I only turn some streams into highlights. |
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2014, 04:27:53 pm » |
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This was amazing and thoroughly enjoyable. I stream once or twice a week at http://twitch.tv/thecravenone . Usually it's Saturday evenings and a late weeknight (~1AM EST). I'll be switching the music on my stream off soonish so that I can start posting them on Youtube so people with more normal schedules can watch later. I primarily play Young Pyromancer decks but I experiment a bit as well. As a result, some of my play with those decks is less skilled, but I suppose it could be interesting to see how someone's unfamiliarity with a deck affects their decisions. I've been streaming with SDEMatt about once every two weeks. He's just now getting into playing Vintage, so I think the stream ends up better because he asks questions that I sometimes wouldn't have thought to explain. |
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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2014, 10:17:45 am » |
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I was thinking of doing some streaming but I would find things would get really exciting, like I would have a hand of Grudge, Fire, Chewer, and Ponder, and then my stream would get really bad lag.
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I was once asked on MWS, what the highest I ever finished at a TMD Open was. I replied, "I've never played in a Waterbury. I was then called "A TOTAL NOOB!"
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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2014, 01:52:37 pm » |
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Whatever you do, Ray, don't cross the streams.
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Bill Copes
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2014, 05:00:13 pm » |
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I was thinking of doing some streaming but I would find things would get really exciting, like I would have a hand of Grudge, Fire, Chewer, and Ponder, and then my stream would get really bad lag.
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I'm the only other legal target, so I draw 6 cards, and he literally quits Magic. Terrorists searching in vain for these powerful weapons have the saying "Bill Copes spitteth, and he taketh away." Team TMD |
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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2014, 07:08:12 pm » |
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I was thinking of doing some streaming but I would find things would get really exciting, like I would have a hand of Grudge, Fire, Chewer, and Ponder, and then my stream would get really bad lag.
 Yep, but then my side of the story would shed a different light. Although behind, my deck had enough ressources to draw out this game (Queue). There was no reasons for me to scoop it out. If it wasn't for the mis-click on metamorph, I would have been +2 critters and my opp -1 Pyro reducing considerably his clock & chances to win. |
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Smmenen
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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2014, 07:35:45 pm » |
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Whatever you do, Ray, don't cross the streams.
Ha! Vintage is dying for more streams. It's a great format to watch. |
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TheBrassMan
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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2015, 06:40:29 pm » |
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Me and T00L streamed some live vintage testing with Fate Reforged cards last night. I don't think the video was recorded, but we might do something similar tonight, depending on how the evening goes. ( http://www.twitch.tv/tmdbrassman) |
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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2015, 10:05:55 pm » |
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I would absolutely tune in for a Brass Stream. Awesome!
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Stormanimagus
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« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2015, 11:40:04 pm » |
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Hey guys, I recently tested my Vintage Humans list vs. a Mentor list piloted by Brian Kelly. I lost 2-0 but game 2 was very very tight and had some crazy plays. If anyone wants to watch us duke it out here's the video. Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1kphOunG-Q&feature=youtu.be |
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Stormanimagus
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« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2015, 03:54:12 pm » |
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Ok guys, round 2 of my Vintage videos should be of a higher quality this time. Sorry for the fuzzy first video. This match was Human Ingenuity vs. an Espresso Shops variant (at least I think that was what he was on though I didn't see any smokestacks). Enjoy and feel free to comment! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBXmvwGCcfs |
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xouman
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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2015, 05:08:21 pm » |
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I just saw yesterday's video, great game.
The tabernacle seems a nice tech, and the creatures are all really powerful. Nevertheless, most of the time it looks as Brian is a bit ahead, or at least that can bring a surprise. You fear the fow when casting spells, the gush when using wastes, instants to trigger mentor... Couldn't you use gitaxian probe/discard? While they are not really good with Thalia, they help a lot deciding what to play in every moment.
Thank you for the videos, they are great!
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Stormanimagus
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« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2015, 05:18:54 pm » |
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I just saw yesterday's video, great game.
The tabernacle seems a nice tech, and the creatures are all really powerful. Nevertheless, most of the time it looks as Brian is a bit ahead, or at least that can bring a surprise. You fear the fow when casting spells, the gush when using wastes, instants to trigger mentor... Couldn't you use gitaxian probe/discard? While they are not really good with Thalia, they help a lot deciding what to play in every moment.
Thank you for the videos, they are great!
The issue with probe + discard is that it is too many slots. I think a probe + therapy package could be very nifty but this deck isn't really the one to abuse it. Spirit + git probe is a bit of a non-bo as is Thalia + git probe. targeted discard isn't a terrible strategy but deck is looking to beat down and those cards don't turn sideways. I'd sooner run mesmeric fiend or tidehollow sculler for that effect I think. For example, if Sin Collector was 1 mana cheaper I think that would be sooo saucy in this deck. Here's hoping they print a rare that is more in that vein. -Storm |
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« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2015, 06:51:30 pm » |
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Yes, more or less my thoughts. I just feel that probing opponent's hand is really interesting; duressing is another option, and lessens the mana curve. A hand with chalice, thalia, containment priest and confidant can be played totally different based on opponent's hand. And I agree with you that mesmeric fiend/sin collector are better in some ways than duress/tgz. However mesmeric and tidesculler are not humans and sin collector a bit expensive, so let's wait for the next black hatebear :p
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Stormanimagus
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« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2015, 08:22:12 pm » |
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Yes, more or less my thoughts. I just feel that probing opponent's hand is really interesting; duressing is another option, and lessens the mana curve. A hand with chalice, thalia, containment priest and confidant can be played totally different based on opponent's hand. And I agree with you that mesmeric fiend/sin collector are better in some ways than duress/tgz. However mesmeric and tidesculler are not humans and sin collector a bit expensive, so let's wait for the next black hatebear :p
I could see running some unsupported thoughtseize/duresses in a 3-4 of slot somewhere in the 75. My issue with that sort of card is that turns on soooo many of the counters they should have that are dead vs. me. Is it possible to maybe run that package in the SB instead of main so that when they side out their flusters vs. me I now have a card that hoses them? The issue again becomes slots. I think eidolon is very powerful and could eventually be a mainstay of my list. The problem I've always had with targeted discard is playing it and then having them fan open a hand of: Gush, Dig, Land, Mentor, Ponder, Top, Mox. What the hell do you even take? Taking the Mentor takes a threat out but their whole deck is just redundancy and filter. A single targeted discard spell isn't usually that effective in Vintage unless you are protecting something utterly broken from countermagic/lock pieces. My deck runs no game ending bombs so duress/thoughtseize don't really do much work for me. If they were attached to a body that is a totally different story cause now they add a clock to me cutting them off from their best card. -Storm |
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« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2015, 06:46:23 am » |
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Gush, Dig, Land, Mentor, Ponder, Top, Mox. What the hell do you even take? Taking the Mentor takes a threat out but their whole deck is just redundancy and filter. A single targeted discard spell isn't usually that effective in Vintage unless you are protecting something utterly broken from countermagic/lock pieces. My deck runs no game ending bombs so duress/thoughtseize don't really do much work for me. If they were attached to a body that is a totally different story cause now they add a clock to me cutting them off from their best card.
-Storm
Just for the sake of argument: Take ponder, turn two stony; take mox, turn two spirit... lots of potential choices. The real issue is Thalia, but turn one thoughtseize into turn two thalia or another bear is going to be a strong play, only problem is that discard in general is pretty weak vs Mental Misstep and it's the only cards that missteps can reliably hit in your deck. |
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Stormanimagus
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« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2015, 11:49:05 am » |
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Gush, Dig, Land, Mentor, Ponder, Top, Mox. What the hell do you even take? Taking the Mentor takes a threat out but their whole deck is just redundancy and filter. A single targeted discard spell isn't usually that effective in Vintage unless you are protecting something utterly broken from countermagic/lock pieces. My deck runs no game ending bombs so duress/thoughtseize don't really do much work for me. If they were attached to a body that is a totally different story cause now they add a clock to me cutting them off from their best card.
-Storm
Just for the sake of argument: Take ponder, turn two stony; take mox, turn two spirit... lots of potential choices. The real issue is Thalia, but turn one thoughtseize into turn two thalia or another bear is going to be a strong play, only problem is that discard in general is pretty weak vs Mental Misstep and it's the only cards that missteps can reliably hit in your deck. That is all true and all, but you are forgetting that broken decks can just raw dog a similar card off the top. It's like, if an opponent's only business spell is DT and I snatch it only to have them rip the card they were going to DT for in the first place (Recall, Lotus, Tinker, etc). Then all the thoughtseize has done is lost me tempo and mana (and life). |
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« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2015, 07:42:47 am » |
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Stony Silence 4x and some Null Rod in the sideboard. Stony will be dead in some match ups, so you want to bolster those match ups main deck and have good side board cards ready to switch. I don't see a way to lose if you can have multiple Stony/Rod in play and hand when playing decks that have full moxes sol/crypt/vault and opal/chrome. The mana denial plan with Thalia and Tabernacle will be even more devestating and the Elesh Norn that Brian is opting for in game 2 will not be possible without his artifact mana base.
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« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2015, 03:54:26 pm » |
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Can you comment on Eidolon over Canonist? Obviously Eidolon is better against Mentor and Bolt, but Canonist also comes a turn quicker, has extra attack and works with Cavern.
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Stormanimagus
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« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2015, 05:21:07 pm » |
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Can you comment on Eidolon over Canonist? Obviously Eidolon is better against Mentor and Bolt, but Canonist also comes a turn quicker, has extra attack and works with Cavern.
The fact that storm decks will likely already be using hurks vs. our chalices is a problem for cannonist. Also, you don't stop a storm list from developing its mana fast and you don't stop time vault key or gifts into time vault key with cannonist. Eidolon is needed over cannonist even if it is just for the mentor matchup cause that is a very VERY hard matchup to win. You need the right hate for that matchup and Cannonist does next to nothing to that deck. -Storm |
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« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2015, 07:15:27 am » |
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So, back to streams....
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