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« on: December 24, 2014, 12:10:21 am » |
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MisterFoote
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« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2014, 09:16:49 am » |
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You made a whole new post for something you didnt know existed. Innovative!
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diopter
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« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2014, 01:07:21 am » |
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Smmenen, thanks for posting this in the Tournament Results thread where it can be found easily without searching through a days-old tournament announcement thread.
Treasure Cruise was obviously insane, as common sense would dictate. I have an amazing list ready to go when it gets restricted. It can even compete against the current Delver builds.
I love that ridiculously amazing Belcher list. Has this been played before??
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MisterFoote
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« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2014, 02:01:29 am » |
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Smmenen, thanks for posting this in the Tournament Results thread where it can be found easily without searching through a days-old tournament announcement thread.
Treasure Cruise was obviously insane, as common sense would dictate. I have an amazing list ready to go when it gets restricted. It can even compete against the current Delver builds.
I love that ridiculously amazing Belcher list. Has this been played before??
So cute! |
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arj
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« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2014, 11:23:09 am » |
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That belcher list is very interesting
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« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2014, 02:12:43 pm » |
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I love that ridiculously amazing Belcher list. Has this been played before??
http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=8803&iddeck=64277I'm glad that it's seeing more play. |
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The Auriok have fought the metal hordes for so long now that knowing how to cripple them has become an instinct. -Metal Fatigue
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WhiteLotus
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« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2014, 04:03:50 pm » |
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I love that ridiculously amazing Belcher list. Has this been played before??
These kinda lists have been around since Expedition map was printed, however I've never seen one top 8 before in a local event to say nothing about an event like this one. But it was probably impossible to play that deck before khans when null rod and wasteland (bug, merfolks, terra nova) were still relevant to the metagame. This deck also can't really win on the draw vs shops without leyline into mana. Outside of raw skill the pilot must have gotten lucky and got paired mostly against delvers all day long and his deck pobably has game against them (Delver cruise has a soft combo matchup imo). |
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"Your first mistake was thinking I would let you live long enough to make a second."
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diopter
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« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2014, 08:04:41 pm » |
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WhiteLotus: indeed, When I looked into it more, Randy Buehler on Twitter commented that he faced a Shops only once and beat it in 3.
I have a healthy respect for Shops and would be afraid to play this in such a large tournament. Randy has balls.
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« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2014, 08:41:24 pm » |
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Cool to see people playing RW ssimilar to the lists I pioneered
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Shock Wave
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« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2014, 10:05:27 pm » |
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WhiteLotus: indeed, When I looked into it more, Randy Buehler on Twitter commented that he faced a Shops only once and beat it in 3.
I have a healthy respect for Shops and would be afraid to play this in such a large tournament. Randy has balls.
If Randy won the die roll, it makes sense that he won, but if he did not win the die roll, I really would like to see how he pulled off the win. It seems that any of Shops infinite disruption spells would just wreck this deck, and it would take a really lucky Leyline hand on the draw to pull anything off. |
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"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat."
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« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2014, 04:21:37 am » |
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WhiteLotus: indeed, When I looked into it more, Randy Buehler on Twitter commented that he faced a Shops only once and beat it in 3.
I have a healthy respect for Shops and would be afraid to play this in such a large tournament. Randy has balls.
If Randy won the die roll, it makes sense that he won, but if he did not win the die roll, I really would like to see how he pulled off the win. It seems that any of Shops infinite disruption spells would just wreck this deck, and it would take a really lucky Leyline hand on the draw to pull anything off. To say nothing about the fact that this deck has to mulligan a lot even in a goldfish to get hands that go anywhere, it absolutely needs at least one non opal mox in the opener. It probably needs serum powder and then again, I don't see the gain compared to Storm based combo you are basically only marginally faster but sacrifice most of the resiliency and just loose to any deck with a mana denial strategy. This deck is also very vulnerable to Dack fayden (you'll probably resolve and activate belcher for lethal on turn one less than 5% of the time) and a number of commonly played cards. This deck is too much of a glass canon imo. It's Just insane it put up the result it did but Vintage is all about unrealistic odds and inconceivable stuff happening, if anything I am more suprised that not many showed up with decks that could beat delver. |
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"Your first mistake was thinking I would let you live long enough to make a second."
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« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2014, 01:17:03 pm » |
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I've played against similar decks in the local meta, and it definitely struggles with shops.
I think the 2nd place result is a factor of a few things:
1.) There is no "scouting" in MTGO, therefore, a lot of game 1's could probably be gained just by surprise factor.
2.) He chose the perfect deck for a delver-heavy meta.
3.) He's a pro player, so i'm sure there was some optimal play involved.
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« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2014, 01:31:50 pm » |
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1.) There is no "scouting" in MTGO, therefore, a lot of game 1's could probably be gained just by surprise factor.
2.) He chose the perfect deck for a delver-heavy meta.
3.) He's a pro player, so i'm sure there was some optimal pay involved.
I think this pretty much sums it up. I think anyone trying to wing it with this deck in the future is going to have poor results. Point #1 is a big time difference from IRL magic, and one of the reasons I love MTGO. It's much more difficult to scout. |
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"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat."
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Smmenen
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« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2014, 02:58:31 pm » |
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1.) There is no "scouting" in MTGO, therefore, a lot of game 1's could probably be gained just by surprise factor.
2.) He chose the perfect deck for a delver-heavy meta.
3.) He's a pro player, so i'm sure there was some optimal pay involved.
I think this pretty much sums it up. I think anyone trying to wing it with this deck in the future is going to have poor results. Point #1 is a big time difference from IRL magic, and one of the reasons I love MTGO. It's much more difficult to scout. MTGO is awesome. |
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jcb193
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« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2014, 07:09:38 pm » |
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I agree #1 was very likely. This deck rolls out like a Grixis or Steel City Vault, and the all of a sudden it goes off. Probably caught a ton of people off-guard.
I too agree that the lack of scouting (except for some small cabals of players) makes MTGO great. I'm a shops player, and scouting helps a ton, but I still hate doing it. It's fatiguing, stressful, and I feel cheap too. I would love magic without scouting.
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« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2014, 08:34:54 pm » |
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"Ctrl F - Dark Confidant: 0 results found"
Yeesh, Vintage changes so fast...
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