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« on: August 28, 2015, 04:29:58 am » |
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Very large post on EC now live, and constantly being updated: http://www.eternalcentral.com/vintagechamps2015coverage/Full metagame breakdown (including what everybody played, by final standings and name), as well as some pie charts to show Top 8/Top 32/Top 64 penetration of large archetypes, a video roundup, and more. Please let us know what you'd like to see added, and if you have any ideas for more graphs you'd like to see. We'll begin fleshing out more decklists and adding them to that page as time allows over the next week or two (after some other reports are edited, and the Old School Tournament coverage goes up). As always, if you notice any errors please contact us so we can get them fixed. Thanks! EDIT: We've just added a new post on EC with Saturday Prelim Top 8 Playoff and Decklists: http://www.eternalcentral.com/vintage-champs-2015-saturday-prelim-decklists-and-top-8-playoff/EDIT2: We've just added the EC Old School 93-94 tournament report with decklists and photos: http://www.eternalcentral.com/oldschoolew2015/ |
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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2015, 05:06:36 am » |
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Great report, thanks for posting it and for all your hard work! A report you can add to the end would be: Greg Mitchell - 15th Place. |
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2015, 07:51:44 am » |
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Thanks for all your work compiling data Jaco!
So the most important takeaway is that Brian Kelly oath had a 100% conversion rate from the field to winning the tournament?
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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2015, 07:55:03 am » |
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Thank you for the report, Jaco.
We hadn't actually named the deck yet, but I like Terra Nouveau. I guess we'll see.
Great work!
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2015, 08:17:19 am » |
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This is awesome Jaco, thank you so much for doing this, I hope this is the first year of many. I'm really interested in seeing how close I was with my metagame prediction.
One very minor thing of note is that Game 2 of my match against Brian in Round 10 was on camera but isn't listed in the video coverage section.
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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2015, 08:22:58 am » |
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One minor nit-pick and I mean, very minor, is that BUG Control seems to include both Combo/Control decks (like I was playing) and BUG Fish decks as well. In reality this is probably pretty irrelevant, but it might confuse some people who wonder where all the BUG Fish went to.
Mind you, only I know this because I played against Forrest Ashmore, who played BUG Fish (with Digs and I believe possibly no Confidants), and I was on BUG Combo/Control (no DRS, with Tinker and Vault/Key) and we both are listed as BUG Control (which I guess we almost are).
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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2015, 08:55:46 am » |
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Nice! Thank you for the work and I will be awaiting for the full list of decklists. Is there is any chance I would be able to get them in excel/csv/odt/txt/some other word processing format?  |
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2015, 10:23:21 am » |
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Nice! Thank you for the work and I will be awaiting for the full list of decklists. Is there is any chance I would be able to get them in excel/csv/odt/txt/some other word processing format? |
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2015, 10:55:11 am » |
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Thanks for doing all this work. Amazing.
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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2015, 11:12:37 am » |
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I wrote a script to scrape the NYSE decks. Once the full decklists are posted, I am happy to apply the script to these decks and share the spreadsheet of decklists.
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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2015, 11:14:19 am » |
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That would be awesome, Rich!
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2015, 11:15:22 am » |
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I wrote a script to scrape the NYSE decks. Once the full decklists are posted, I am happy to apply the script to these decks and share the spreadsheet of decklists.
Yay computer science. |
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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2015, 11:53:42 am » |
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One minor nit-pick and I mean, very minor, is that BUG Control seems to include both Combo/Control decks (like I was playing) and BUG Fish decks as well. In reality this is probably pretty irrelevant, but it might confuse some people who wonder where all the BUG Fish went to.
Mind you, only I know this because I played against Forrest Ashmore, who played BUG Fish (with Digs and I believe possibly no Confidants), and I was on BUG Combo/Control (no DRS, with Tinker and Vault/Key) and we both are listed as BUG Control (which I guess we almost are). Combining the BUG lists was intentional. There are so many variations based on card inclusion of the player's choice that I felt it best to group them, and let people check out the decklists individually (once more are up). That, and there already being dozens of other sub-archetypes already listed, drove the choice to group some of the decks as such. I wrote a script to scrape the NYSE decks. Once the full decklists are posted, I am happy to apply the script to these decks and share the spreadsheet of decklists. Rich, if you wouldn't mind emailing me with spreadsheet (or link to Google doc) once that is done, I can add it to the report as well. Everything we have is just in generic text, so would be nice to have more options for people. If you folks see anything else that can be added please let me know via reply here, PM, or email to support@eternalcentral.com. EDIT: We now have recreated all of the info from the Vintage Champs Prelim on Saturday, and will be doing a separate post later tonight on EC with Top 8 decklists and Top 8 playoff bracket. |
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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2015, 06:44:29 pm » |
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One minor nit-pick and I mean, very minor, is that BUG Control seems to include both Combo/Control decks (like I was playing) and BUG Fish decks as well. In reality this is probably pretty irrelevant, but it might confuse some people who wonder where all the BUG Fish went to.
Mind you, only I know this because I played against Forrest Ashmore, who played BUG Fish (with Digs and I believe possibly no Confidants), and I was on BUG Combo/Control (no DRS, with Tinker and Vault/Key) and we both are listed as BUG Control (which I guess we almost are). Combining the BUG lists was intentional. There are so many variations based on card inclusion of the player's choice that I felt it best to group them, and let people check out the decklists individually (once more are up). That, and there already being dozens of other sub-archetypes already listed, drove the choice to group some of the decks as such. OK, fair enough. I really shouldn't have even said nit-pick, just really an observation. Thanks again for your hard work on this. |
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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2015, 08:56:46 pm » |
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Anyone have info on the prelim?
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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2015, 10:59:36 pm » |
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Nice work, thanks for the effort! I am keen to see the Terra Nouveau decklist.
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« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2015, 07:22:38 am » |
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Jaco fantastic job. Top shelf!!!
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« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2015, 01:45:01 am » |
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Jaco fantastic job. Top shelf!!!
Thank you very much. I'm glad some people are enjoying it. Further updating this, we've just posted our EC Old School 93-94 tournament report, with decklists and tons of photos: http://www.eternalcentral.com/oldschoolew2015/More updates to come as we have time this week. |
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« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2015, 11:18:21 pm » |
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I hate that top 8. 1 shops, 1 dragon (at least this is an interesting one!), 1 storm, and FIVE U-control aggro decks (FoW/dig/removal + some critter kill). I am glad dragon made a showing. Shops was just expected as always, and seeing that 5/8ths of the top 8 was blue counterspells is just disheartening. Storm was also a surprise to see....but it stinks that only 2 of the 8 were unexpected. Shops vs U is the expected dominance. I didn't see the play % anywhere, but I wouldn't be surprised if more than 75% of the field was shops/U-aggrocontrol. Maybe a spattering of storm and oath (and probably U versions of oath within 8 cards of the U-aggro control decks).
Just my rant, but it sucks that competitive vintage has devolved into "play shops or U or go play modern instead."
*Just saw the breakdown of 462 decks on the other page. 51 dredge was a total surprise to me. But the rest was not. 1/4 shops, <50% FoW+U stuff, 1/8 dredge, 1/8 everything else. So Workshop, Bazaar, FoW, or don't bother playing. I don't like those options. Not even that I am for or against playing any of those types of decks (I always played workshops back in the day and enjoy that archetype), but I hate that those are mainly your options if you want to compete at all.
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« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2015, 11:33:41 pm » |
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it sucks that competitive vintage has devolved into "play shops or U"
This has been the case for what, the last 12 years? |
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« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2015, 11:39:32 pm » |
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it sucks that competitive vintage has devolved into "play shops or U"
This has been the case for what, the last 12 years? YES! But that doesn't make it right. I just wish every color had an equal chance and a variety of decks within a color that didn't overlap by 75% of the cards was viable. Just saying - empty wishes, i know. But I lament the situation and think it may contribute to why other formats grow while Vintage withers. Prices and all are part of the issue for sure, but the "blue, shops, or don't bother" options can't help much. |
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« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2015, 12:02:06 am » |
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*Just saw the breakdown of 462 decks on the other page. 51 dredge was a total surprise to me. But the rest was not. 1/4 shops, <50% FoW+U stuff, 1/8 dredge, 1/8 everything else. So Workshop, Bazaar, FoW, or don't bother playing. I don't like those options. Not even that I am for or against playing any of those types of decks (I always played workshops back in the day and enjoy that archetype), but I hate that those are mainly your options if you want to compete at all.
It sounds like thou doth protest too much. The metagame was incredibly diverse. The quantity of decks with Force of Wills masks incredibly strategic diversity. Almost every strategic archetype was represented in the Vintage Champs top 8: hard control, aggro control, combo control, prison, dredge. What an amazing event. |
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« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2015, 08:08:30 am » |
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Finally BK report. Can't wait to read it!
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« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2015, 06:18:04 pm » |
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My report was free but apparently now requires a membership. I hope folks who were interested got a chance to read it. Sorry if you didn't. I wasnt aware my spnosor would make a previously free article premium. Paul Mastrianos 4th place report is also posted there as well as Brians. |
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« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2015, 08:48:36 pm » |
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My report was free but apparently now requires a membership. I hope folks who were interested got a chance to read it. Sorry if you didn't. I wasnt aware my spnosor would make a previously free article premium. Paul Mastrianos 4th place report is also posted there as well as Brians. On this note...I got a membership on that site but every time I click on an article, it asks me to login [even though I'm already logged on], it's an endless cycle between the login/my account page and the article listings. I submitted a contact form through the site last Wednesday but have not heard back. Any idea what the deal is? |
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« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2015, 01:57:11 am » |
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Thanks, Stephen. I read your report when it first came out but wasn't able to access Paul's. Congratulations on a good team showing!
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