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« on: October 12, 2015, 06:11:36 pm »

http://wizardsmtgo.tumblr.com/post/131042225954/larger-vintage-events

Full details will be posted October 19th.  Mark your calendars.  
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2015, 06:20:04 pm »

This is a really promising sign!
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2015, 06:35:14 pm »

Definitely.  Lee Sharpe also said on twitter that this will just be the first.  So hopefully we will be getting some quarterly events that matter.

The more people the show up, the better.  So spread the word!
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2015, 10:42:47 pm »

Ill be in this one and wont be playing a budget deck this time so look out!
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2015, 07:56:57 am »

Ugh, why did they pick the same date as EE? The first big tournament since worlds and they chose to make the tournaments clash. Sad
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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2015, 08:53:27 am »

I guess they don't want their event to fire so they have a reason not to do any further ones Razz

All joking aside it is tough to schedule a tournament that has no overlay to others, in these modern times we are spoiled with more events than we can play in. If half of the remaining MTGO-Vintage players attends the EE though then I doubt there are enough players left to make this fire. 11 am PST is a good starting time for Europeans though, if any of them are still playing.
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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2015, 09:02:48 am »

Typically I'm unable to play Magic during the day, I usually can only play after my son goes to bed. I'm going to try to figure something out, because I want to support this and make it successful.
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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2015, 05:39:57 pm »

The first Vintage PE had more than 100 players... There are a lot of people online who don't even know what an EE is.  I'm sure the turnout will be unaffected and maxed out again.
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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2015, 06:00:04 pm »

No one is planning to "double queue"? I'm sure the venue has wifi...
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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2015, 10:01:46 am »

Am I missing where this oct 19th article is supposed to be?
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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2015, 11:28:44 am »

No I don't think so. Just MTGO coming short on their word as usual
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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2015, 11:52:59 am »

The article usually goes out Tuesday, so I imagine they just said 19th instead of 20th.

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When asked on Tumblr: "It will be up on MTGO.com this morning! I will post once itís up both here and on twitter."
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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2015, 12:55:48 pm »

Bump for justice

Tl;dr: It's a 25tx/250PP event on the fourth Saturday each month, starting next week.

1st: Lotus, Twister, full BFZ, full foil Bfz, 500PP
2nd: Recall, full BFZ, 400PP
3rd: Sapphire, 300PP
4th: Ruby, 250PP
5th: Jet, 250PP
6th: Pearl, 250PP
7th: Emerald, 250PP
8th: Walk, 250PP
9-16th: 250PP

11AM Pacific (-7 UTC)
33-player Minimum

Daily Event will still be live, so if it doesn't fire you still have an event to play.
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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2015, 12:58:11 pm »

Bump for justice

Tl;dr: It's a 25tx/250PP event on the fourth Saturday each month, starting next week.

1st: Lotus, Twister, full BFZ, full foil Bfz, 500PP
2nd: Recall, 400PP
3rd: Sapphire, 300PP
4th: Ruby, 250PP
5th: Jet, 250PP
6th: Pearl, 250PP
7th: Emerald, 250PP
8th: Walk, 250PP
9-16th: 250PP

11AM Pacific (-7 UTC)
33-player Minimum

Daily Event will still be live, so if it doesn't fire you still have an event to play.

Off the cuff, just saw it, didn't calculate the EV response:

SWEET!
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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2015, 01:08:04 pm »

Ugh, why did they pick the same date as EE? The first big tournament since worlds and they chose to make the tournaments clash. Sad

Just to clarify isn't the EE event (the one in coopersburg) on  Sunday?
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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2015, 01:12:37 pm »

Bump for justice

Tl;dr: It's a 25tx/250PP event on the fourth Saturday each month, starting next week.

1st: Lotus, Twister, full BFZ, full foil Bfz, 500PP
2nd: Recall, 400PP
3rd: Sapphire, 300PP
4th: Ruby, 250PP
5th: Jet, 250PP
6th: Pearl, 250PP
7th: Emerald, 250PP
8th: Walk, 250PP
9-16th: 250PP

11AM Pacific (-7 UTC)
33-player Minimum

Daily Event will still be live, so if it doesn't fire you still have an event to play.

Missed the BFZ set for second. So this is about as top heavy as it gets, but it looks sweet. I have my calendar cleared for Saturday.
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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2015, 01:21:57 pm »

Cheers. I missed that when I was reading it. I thought it was a massive step down in the finals. (I mean, it still is, but not quite as much.)

I'm, sadly, unable to attend, as I'm playing in an IRL event (which I have linked to elsewhere on the forum), but good luck to everyone, and I hope to make the one next month.
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« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2015, 01:43:20 pm »

These prizes leave alot to be desired.
If you don't have 250 play points lying around, 25 tix is a pretty steep entry fee.
I mean if these were special edition promo P9 they were handing out, then I would be very excited. 
VM p9 is run of the mill stuff and nothing special about it.
The play points as prizes is an old story in that I still don't like them.

Having said that I am glad to have big Vintage events again and hope they will succeed.
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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2015, 01:45:16 pm »

I'm really glad these are scheduled monthly so it's not up in the air like the holiday festival last time.

Here's some quick payout calculations in tix (numbers taken from mtggoldfish):
Power 9: 275
Regular BFZ set: 110
Foil BFZ set: 305
= 800 tix total (2 regular BFZ sets)

and then 4200 play points.

At 33 players the payout is noticeably higher than the total buy in; the break even is around 49 players.
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« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2015, 02:45:32 pm »

First of all I applaud the focus on prize based tournaments, and think Vintage only promos as prizes would be a cool second step  

I have no idea what the worldwide MTGO vintage player base is, but I am curious what introducing a set of power into the MTGO supply every month will do to power prices, as I am guessing most of them will be sold, as there is no need for extra cards on MTGO, and proxy tourneys don't exist, so I doubt too many prizes will be given out to people that don't already have power.    Normally a small introduction of supply wouldn't affect too much, but I am guessing the total Vintage pool is pretty small.  Would a 108 new pieces of power a year be pretty substantial??  
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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2015, 03:10:08 pm »

.  Would a 108 new pieces of power a year be pretty substantial??  


That's what, 12 new Vintage players a year?  I could probably make the argument that number is close to the attrition rate (which includes power sold to bots that will never leave those accounts) for the format and would do nothing but keep it afloat.

Edit:  Crap.  Can't make this first one with my daughters hockey in the way of the start time, but the Nov 28th one I'm down for.
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« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2015, 03:47:33 pm »

This is really wonderful news.  We should all try to support these as much as we can.  
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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2015, 04:32:00 pm »

Off the cuff, just saw it, didn't calculate the EV response:
SWEET!

Missed the BFZ set for second. So this is about as top heavy as it gets, but it looks sweet. I have my calendar cleared for Saturday.

Also, given that the order of power is based off the supposed power of it rather than its price, some positions actually pay less than lower positions.

Assuming play points are worth 10 cents since that's the conversion rate WotC's claiming, using GoatBots buy prices and disregarding the cost to transfer tickets to real money, net payout:

1: DOLLAR DOLLAR BILL YA'LL (I'm not going to calculate this but it's good)
2: $42.51 + the value of the set
3: $29.01
4: $18.51
5: $20.51
6: $15.51
7: $14.41
8: $17.01
9-16: $0
17+: -$25

IDK if MTGO uses the same pairing system as real magic, but if so, the event is a minimum of 6 rounds.
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« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2015, 05:05:06 pm »

These prizes leave alot to be desired.
If you don't have 250 play points lying around, 25 tix is a pretty steep entry fee.
I mean if these were special edition promo P9 they were handing out, then I would be very excited. 
VM p9 is run of the mill stuff and nothing special about it.
The play points as prizes is an old story in that I still don't like them.

Having said that I am glad to have big Vintage events again and hope they will succeed.


While I agree, the uniqueness of new Power cards would wear off eventually. If nothing else, we finally have something to play for that isn't play points, and at the same time a reason to generate play points. I think this is a win win. Save the unique Power cards for extremely rare events.
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« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2015, 05:12:02 pm »

This seems like more than wotc has done for Vintage in a long time, so I'd say it's a step in the right direction.

Pre-release events cost about the same, and offer new avatars and promo cards. They aren't worth anything, but it would be nice to get a little something for participating. They have a black lotus avatar, how about one with another vintage card on it?

Seems like a cool tournament though. Best of luck to all who attend.
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« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2015, 05:30:30 pm »

It's the first one of an old format, so Ancestral is the obvious one, right?

I think this is really good, and the Power is not inconsequential. I own no Power, I'm going to be playing Dredge for a while. Get me a Lotus and I'm one step closer to playing Doomsday. (And in turn losing a lot of tickets.)
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« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2015, 05:59:20 pm »

Off the cuff, just saw it, didn't calculate the EV response:
SWEET!

Missed the BFZ set for second. So this is about as top heavy as it gets, but it looks sweet. I have my calendar cleared for Saturday.

Also, given that the order of power is based off the supposed power of it rather than its price, some positions actually pay less than lower positions.

Assuming play points are worth 10 cents since that's the conversion rate WotC's claiming, using GoatBots buy prices and disregarding the cost to transfer tickets to real money, net payout:

1: DOLLAR DOLLAR BILL YA'LL (I'm not going to calculate this but it's good)
2: $42.51
3: $29.01
4: $18.51
5: $20.51
6: $15.51
7: $14.41
8: $17.01
9-16: $0
17+: -$25

IDK if MTGO uses the same pairing system as real magic, but if so, the event is a minimum of 6 rounds.

That's the second missed BFZ and it quotes me. But assuming your other calcs are right. 2nd should be about 120 bigger.
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« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2015, 06:25:21 pm »

it's logical to assume that this could have a positive feedback loop, where the tournament creates an incentive to play Vintage, which creates further demand for Vintage cards, so that, over time, the value of power nine goes up. 

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« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2015, 09:14:19 pm »

Prices are already at an all time low because of play points, but I think everything will gradually start picking up... Starting a few weeks ago. Lotus was at $94 around Champs and now it's back up to $104
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