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« on: December 07, 2015, 01:35:24 pm » |
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New article, now totally free, no membership needed! Workshops looked bad, but are they on the rebound? http://www.vintagemagic.com/blog/fearless-workshops/ |
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brianpk80
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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2015, 02:56:00 pm » |
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Nice article, Paul! I agree with the premise, that innovative Shop pilots looking beyond Null Rod are still making the archetype a force with which to be reckoned.
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2015, 03:47:05 pm » |
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2015, 04:26:28 pm » |
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Nice article, Paul! I agree with the premise, that innovative Shop pilots looking beyond Null Rod are still making the archetype a force with which to be reckoned.
Thanks, Brian. Mishra's Workshop's promise of Black Lotus every turn just has to be good somehow. |
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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2015, 06:14:49 pm » |
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The Chalice restriction killed the soul of this format. Workshops were as much of a pillar of this format as were Mana Drains or Oath of Druids or Gush. Without being able to play the best card in the deck (yes, Chalice was secretly the best card in the Shops deck, even better than the namesake land) as a 4-of, the archetype is no longer able to compete consistently with the blue decks. The Chalice restriction is the worse thing to happen to Vintage diversity in recent memory. For shame, Wizards.
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2015, 06:31:57 pm » |
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The Chalice restriction killed the soul of this format. Workshops were as much of a pillar of this format as were Mana Drains or Oath of Druids or Gush. Without being able to play the best card in the deck (yes, Chalice was secretly the best card in the Shops deck, even better than the namesake land) as a 4-of, the archetype is no longer able to compete consistently with the blue decks. The Chalice restriction is the worse thing to happen to Vintage diversity in recent memory. For shame, Wizards.
Did you watch the VSL play-in? Because it was Shops vs. Shops, Detwiler vs Ochoa, in an orgy of Mishras, Ravagers, and combat math. Your post is not only highly subjective ("soul of the format", Chalice being the best card in the deck, and Oath and Gush being pillars), but so skewed from objective reality that I must ask do you actually play the format in any type of competitive environment? |
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2015, 06:43:58 pm » |
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The Chalice restriction killed the soul of this format. Workshops were as much of a pillar of this format as were Mana Drains or Oath of Druids or Gush. Without being able to play the best card in the deck (yes, Chalice was secretly the best card in the Shops deck, even better than the namesake land) as a 4-of, the archetype is no longer able to compete consistently with the blue decks. The Chalice restriction is the worse thing to happen to Vintage diversity in recent memory. For shame, Wizards.
Did you watch the VSL play-in? Because it was Shops vs. Shops, Detwiler vs Ochoa, in an orgy of Mishras, Ravagers, and combat math. Your post is not only highly subjective ("soul of the format", Chalice being the best card in the deck, and Oath and Gush being pillars), but so skewed from objective reality that I must ask do you actually play the format in any type of competitive environment? The soul of the format.... Chalice was not even in the top 5 best unrestricted cards in Shops. Workshop, Lodestone, Wasteland, Tangle Wire, Ancient Tomb are all more integral to the deck than it. |
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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2015, 10:57:42 pm » |
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The Chalice restriction killed the soul of this format. Workshops were as much of a pillar of this format as were Mana Drains or Oath of Druids or Gush. Without being able to play the best card in the deck (yes, Chalice was secretly the best card in the Shops deck, even better than the namesake land) as a 4-of, the archetype is no longer able to compete consistently with the blue decks. The Chalice restriction is the worse thing to happen to Vintage diversity in recent memory. For shame, Wizards.
Did you watch the VSL play-in? Because it was Shops vs. Shops, Detwiler vs Ochoa, in an orgy of Mishras, Ravagers, and combat math. Your post is not only highly subjective ("soul of the format", Chalice being the best card in the deck, and Oath and Gush being pillars), but so skewed from objective reality that I must ask do you actually play the format in any type of competitive environment? Well said, Matt. Anyone who watched the VSL Play In will have no doubt about the potency of Mishra today. |
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2015, 07:27:54 am » |
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I really liked this article. thank you for including my list. I'm really happy with how the deck have turned out so far. I couldn't have tuned it, to what it is today, without TheWhiteLotus thread, with the original list. I'm really grateful for this forum, for all the things it brings to vintage and to me as a player.
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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2015, 05:16:57 am » |
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I liked this article quite a bit. I tend to agree with the premise too. Playing MTGO as much as I do, I've seen Workshop-based decks go from half of the metagame to less than ten percent of it. There are a ton of decks being played that would be a total dog to a well-built Workshop deck played by a skilled player.
I do think that restricting Chalice has made people fearless to play certain SB cards that wouldn't have been considered acceptable before, Nature's Claim is a notable choice. This is one of the biggest effects. It's not like every opener had a Chalice of the Void before, but people basically built there decks as if that were the case.
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