I agree with methuselahn on the LoA thing. Seeing Bob as the same thing it just shows he's not that great.

The only way I would see this card hurting control in any way is if they decided to play cards on their turn, which they mostly won't. This card would mess with TPS though, forcing them to tap mana and maybe find out they don't need it after they draw cards or such.

I'm glad that this thread was started, it looks like it'll prove to be a nice helper.

My question is, what chance does storm combo stand with aggro-control on it's way up which could potentialy make control numbers fall a little bit?

CS should be able to handle the card most of the times, it'll just take a little different maindeck such as when everyone started playing with Lava Dart, I doubt Pithing Needle will make that big of an impact though and actually probably won't be used in the main outside of some fish decks. It could single-handedly destroy 2-land belcher, as if that archtype wasn't dead enough in the first place.

This fish deck has a really strong clock in it compared to most which can be really good, but what I don't get is the 4x Bloodstained Mire and the 1 Seasinger seems really random which i think could do better as a Wretch.

We have weekly tourneys here in Kalamazoo that start at 5:30 on tuesdays, so I doubt you'll be able to make any of those.

Chris has told me though that he plans on holding a Mox tourney sometime during May.  It might have been on the 21st, but I don't remember so you should see if its on FanFare's website http://www.fanfare-se.com/. I'll find out on tuesday.

I liked the article, but there are colored spells with 0 that you might actually face. The mighty kobolds

Then why is it such a big deal about 7 mana? By the way Intuition + AK = 5 mana.

Looks like a good decklist though and I really like Disrupting Shoal, which I'm a big fan of having as a 2 or 3 of in control decks. If the match-ups are the same as slaver and you beat slaver in the mirror match then I would see no reason to play Goth Slaver.

In any deck today that's true, but not with Gay/r. Fish just wants to see as mana cards as they possibly can not get the best one. In this deck Standstill is better because, Quanity > Quality cause there is no bomb card.

I think 3 would be the best number of Gifts to run. If you run 4 you have a much greater chance at drawing a 2nd which is pretty crappy & mostly a wasted card. I think it would be best to take it out for a Rebuild or a Mind Twist for synergy with Mana Drain, maybe.

If you're looking to play a good 5-proxy deck I would go with Doomsday which easily playable with 5 proxies. Go to http://www.starcitygames.com/php/news/expandnews.php?Article=8397  it's the 3rd place decklist, enjoy.  

Isn't that considered passing priority? I think I remember something about a guy losing a GP or PT or something for saying "Do you have an fast effects?"

As with 2 other creatures in the deck. This card won't hurt your tempo if you drop it turn 2 vs. shop-aggro, but vs. many other decks it will hurt your tempo plenty.

I like the direction the deck can and will be taken. I've thought about adding Vial to Gay/r, but realized it'd be bad this deck would make abuse fairly easy.

I suggest you take out this:
2x Exalted Angel
3x Seal of Cleansing
3x Samurai of the Pale Curtain
1x Voidmage Prodigy

Add these in their place:
2x Daze
4x Cloud of Fairies
3x Gilded Drake ???

MSR9889 please, just stop right now. Everyone is telling you that you deck is bad and your points are not valid so why must you go on and tell them they're wrong?



Right..... While you're trying to get your lousy combo together I'll just go off with just about any viable combo deck. Your deck can only win on turn 1 with a god hand that has a bout a 5% of drawing it possibly less.

And what happens when someone counters ur mana sources such as KCI? Just wait till you get another?

Great article. I really liked how you pointed it out so someone could get started out in type 1. It may increase the play of fish more though .

You explained the match-ups and good cards for that match-up, very well written, I enjoyed reading it all.

I really like your update on the WTF/r deck. Standstill is like you said, the superior card in the Standstill-Brainstorm debate.

People who believe that fish is as powerful with Brainstorm in Standstill's spot need to really see the power of Standstill. It is a little different in WTF/r since the mana base is a little shaky. If you do something like Factory, Mox--Standstill chances are that you'll win the game.

Fish doesn't win with fat bombs or 3-mana spells, it wins with crappy creatures like Spiketail and Cloud of Fairies which create tempo swings, which is what causes fish to win in my experience.

Edit: I've been testing a WTF/r build myself, I'll post my update later.

It's very much like Tog, excpet for the fact it tries to win in a flashy way which makes it fragile.

I think that Meddling Mage would be very strong in this deck. Fish/Landstill can have problems with fatties like Pentavus and Exalted Angel so it would be good to stop them before.

I don't know if naming angel would work though.

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Bam, excactly Standstill is crazy in this deck. If you ever see a hand with landstill in it and enough mana how many times will you throw it back?

Here's an answer. It'll probably take forever even though it shoulda happened awhile ago.

The deck is designed around Standstill. All the cards work best with it. Faeries let you get a 1/1 flier the same turn and the manlands let you put more pressure without any spells thus making the opponent brake it and giving you a huge advantage.

R & D has been paying more attention to Type 1 in a whole. Many times they try to print a card that will make the format shift a little like with Chalice and 3Shpere. It isn't enough though they need to concentrate more on a card that is good enough, but won't make a huge splash.

Standstill is a much better card in Fish than Brainstorm. It gives you 2 more cards than BS does and thats better than quality in Fish. Fish doesn't run the best cards, but the ones that work best with each other.

It just doesn't feel right not playing Cloud of Faeries in a Fish deck. You all say that the reason it's played is for Standstill, but it works nice with Quirion Dryad too. It allows for more spells to be played thus allowing the Dryad to get fat like it wants. The card I've taken out for them is Spiketail Hatchling since it doesn't work as good without Daze around.

That is better, also you'll end up having answers to things and can get a Stifle of you'd like to.

I've been pondering about the 2 creature slots left a lot. I thought it would be best for it to be a 3-drop, and then I thought about Cunning Wish. (Don't know why, doesn't get creatures) Then I thought about Living Wish. Here's some pros to it.

-You'd have a small toolbox SB
-You'd be able to fetch creatures which suit your mana and needs
-Easy to cast
-Ability to have more than 1 Mox Monkey which is huge!

I don't know if it'd work better or not, haven't played enough games, so somebody help me out here.
The problem is that I really need all those SB slots. If a bunch end up being creatures, then it might be an option, but even then it seems a little slow and weak.[/color]

Since there is Brainstorm in the deck and 8 lands to fetch, I could actually see 5 or 6 fetches being very useful. I feel that if you did that it'd be easier to run Call of the Herd as the extra 2 creatures. The cards I would take out for the fetches would be a moxen, just cause I'm gonna be budgety about it.

Sweet deck it looks very promising.

Very nice article. What you said about it not comboing out fast enough is alright, but it seems this deck would act a lot like FCG. It can just go aggro with it's creatures or it can go combo. If it doesn't play out like that please let me know.

Exactly you really need channel to give you a boost for more mana. I really like Windfall in this deck because your hand is depleted very very fast with so many accelerants and moxes. It would only be a bad card if you're playing against another belcher deck.