how about Bringer of the Blue and Black Dawn? those 2 seem pretty nice espically in a 5 color deck

have you tried Fist of the Suns or Channel the Suns?

that is why i choose Dreadnought because 1 casting cost for a 12/12 trample with orb out no set backs yeah its nice.
I trired a mono black but failed in play testing. seems you need blue to help with counters/draw too. 

looks good for legacy i might convent it to legacy now and replace either throat or doomblade for x4 Geth's Verdict incase i can't target a nasty creature. that i only own 3 dreadnoughts so might throw in a predator's grasp or even 1 unearth to get a creature back. have to play test more

forgot all about chalice espically for 1.

that is weird that hunted horror is brought up. i have a casual deck that uses hunter horror and Leyline of Singularity maybe i can deconstruct the casual deck into a more competitive deck on this. hmm (the gears are turning)

was looking at Torpor Orb and thought with casting dreadnaught can make it fast and effective not sure for a type 1 style but here is the deck i came up with. let me know what you think. was thinking of adding in Dark Confidents or not but this deck is kinda on a ruff draft.
 
Lands
x4 Underground sea
x6 Fetch Lands
x1 Tolarian Academy
x1 Strip Mine
x3 Wasteland
x2 Island
x2 Swamp
x1 Bojuka Bog

Creatures
x3 Phyrexian Dreadnought
x1 Blightsteel Colossus

Artifacts
x1 Black Lotus
x1 Mox Sapphire
x1 Mox Jet
x4 Torpor Orb
x1 Sol Ring

Spells
x1 Ponder
x1 Brainstorm
x4 Force of Will
x4 Duress
x3 Thoughtsize
x1 Tinker
x1 Demonic Tutor
x1 Vampiric Tutor
x4 Preordain
x1 Time Walk
x1 Ancestral Recall
x1 Praetor's Grasp
x2 Spell Pierce
x3 Dark Ritual

cool thanks for the info. i went to ebay to see how crazy the prices was on these dudes but to my surprise i picked up a playset for $1.95 just incase these guys go nuts lol.

is Kuldotha Forgemaster great for this deck? seems the casting cost to high? or if you put him out it's pretty much game?

Elvish piper or quicksilver amulet works too.

i made a red/black deck mostly burn and discard theme and it did pretty well. she enjoyed the deck espically when she took me down a couple of times lol. 

let me know what you think if i need to add anything or take anything out

Kangee, Aerie Keeper

Aven Mimeomancer 
Esper Cormorants 
Sawtooth Loon 
Swans of Bryn Argoll 
Talon Trooper 
Aven Fateshaper 
Loyal Gyrfalcon
Giant Albatross 
Hydromorph Gull 
Dragonstalker
Keeper of the Nine Gales 
Raven Familiar 
Shoreline Ranger 
Thieving Magpie 
Apex Hawks 
Aven Brigadier 
Aven Mindcensor 
Aven Warhawk 
Celestial Gatekeeper 
Commander Eesha 
Duskrider Falcon 
Gustcloak Savior 
Lieutenant Kirtar 
Major Teroh 
Soulcatcher
Windbrisk Raptor 

 non Birds
Ageless Sentinels 
Emeria Angel 
Soraya the Falconer 
Sovereigns of Lost Alara
Magus of the Moat
 
 Spells
Airborne Aid 
Veil of Birds
Battle Screech 
Soulcatchers' Aerie 
Serra Aviary 
Honden of Seeing Winds 
Eldrazi Conscription 
Marshal's Anthem
Control Magic
Cloud Cover
Hindering Light
Cultural Exchange
Mind Spring
Rite of Replication
Swords to Ploweshares
Reparations
Fabricate
Take Possession
Gravitation shift
Retaliate
Wrath of God
Teferi's Moat
Aura of Silence 
Harsh Judgment
Celestial Mantle
Hinder
Dismantling Blow 
Serra's Liturgy   

 Artifacts
Coat of Arms
Door of Destinies 
Eldrazi Monument   
Planar Portal
Coalition Relic
Predator, Flagship
Azorius Signet 

 Land
Seaside Haven 
Coastal Tower 
Adarkar Wastes 
Boreal Shelf 
Wanderwine Hub 
Hallowed Fountain 
Skycloud Expanse 
Azorius Chancery 
Mystic Gate 
Calciform Pools 
Drifting Meadow 
Remote Isle 
Lonely Sandbar 
Secluded Steppe 
Rupture Spire 
Mirrodin's Core 
Terminal Moraine 
Terramorphic Expanse 
Flagstones of Trokair   
Ghost Quarter 
Glacial Fortress 
Tectonic Edge 
Halimar Depths 
Celestial Colonnade 
Sejiri Refuge 
island x6
plains x6

Why no duress

Ah ok I got it. So for it to work, dragon breath has to be in gy to be placed on emrakul.

quick question here

Emrakul has protection from colored spells. since dragon breath is a colored spell that mean you can't enchant it on him right?

I was thinking about using 1 in my dark times deck with ghasts but i'm not sure have to test it out.

Was wondering with bloodghasts being popular in type 1 that this tutor might see play.  This can almost act as a secondary demonic tutor. Have ghast out, attack then after damage cast intent "if" resolves get what you need play a land ghast comes back.

Amulet of vigor. That is it. Could not edit my last post here on my cell here.

Can add that artifact that allows your come into play tapped untapped. Forgot the name .

thanks for the info yeah i was a way from the boards for a bit and i will see what i can do to make it more of a swarm;/army then what i have now. thanks

shadow rift would be the best bet with this dude. you cast rift to give him shadow and you draw a card from the rift and you draw cards with the damage done. 

this could slow a person's deck down more then stop them yeah it can take out many cards from 0-3 casting.  duress and thoughtsieze are still the best imo.

best thing though it's uncommon and not rare and expensive as thoughtsieze lol 

oh i like Nobilis of War forgot about him.

thought of Mobilization might try that out.

don't own the new chandra  will see about her.

so anyone see any cards from RoE be vintage able?  the new thoughtsieze might see play not sure on that one. was wondering what you all thought about it.

i guess it's ok the way it is with no posts on it lol 

let me know what you think. i might do this as a one on one or mulit not sure yet.


Agrus Kos, Wojek Veteran

Creatures
World Queller
Dragonmaster Outcast
Stoneforge Mystic
Soltari Champion
Balefire Liege
Scourge of kher Ridges
Razia, Boros Archangel
Flame-Kin Zealot
Soltari Guerrillas
Luminous Angel
Rorix Bladewing
Shivan Hellkite

Red Spells
Flash Conscription
Lightning Blast
Browbeat
Lightning Bolt
Blind with Anger
Orcish Oriflamme
Winds of Change
Wheel of Fortune
Dead/Gone
Smash
Grab the Reins
Comet Storm
Chain Reaction
Goblin Bombardment
Insurrection

White Spells
Honor of the Pure
Opal Archangel
Breath of Life
Swords to Plowshares
Enlightened Tutor
Idyllic Tutor
Martial Coup
Gerrard's Battle Cry
Marshal's Anthem
Return to Dust
Wrath of God
Ivory Mask
Condemn
Second Thoughts
Flickerform
Faith's Fetters
Akroma's Vengeance
Orim's Thunder
Prison Term

Multi Spells
Order/Chaos
Moonhold
Squee's Embrace
Reflect Damage
Razia's Purification
Glory of Warfare
Ligtning helix

Artifacts
Sensei's Divining Top
Loxodon Warhammer
Expedition Map
Lightning Greaves
Darksteel Ignot
Sol Ring
Nevinyrral's Disk
Planar Portal
Sunforger
Amulet of Vigor
Vibrating Sphere
Boros Signet

Lands
Forgotten Cave
Boros Garrison
Secluded Steppe
Mistveil Plains
Lotus Vale
Dwarven Ruins
Naya Panorama
Ruins of Trokair
Kabira Crossroads
Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion
Rith's Grove
Vivid Crag
Arid Mesa
Terramorphic Expanse
Scabland
Smoldering Crater
Vesuva
Jungle Shrine
Tectonic Edge
Plateau
Kor Haven
Rupture Spire
Ancient Amphitheater
Mountain 6
Plains 5

Well I did this to the deck

Out
x4 dark rit
x2 unmask
x2 sensi

In
x1 tinker
x1 sphinx
x4 dark confident
x1 mystical tutor
x1 ponder

ok not sure if this would be competitive or not but i thought of this deck here. here is the deck and anything with a * is proxy

Lands
x4 Underground Sea
x4 Polluted Delta
x2 Flooded Strand
x1 Bjouka Bog
x3 Swamps
x4 Islands
x1 Strip Mine

Creatures
X4 Hunted Horror

Spells
x1 Black Lotus *
x1 Mox Jet *
x1 Mox Sapphire *
x1 Time Walk *
x1 Ancestral Recall *
x4 Null Rod
x4 Force of Will
x4 Spell Pierce
x1 Brainstorm
x4 Leyline of Singularity
x4 Duress
x2 Unmask
x4 Dark Ritual
x1 Demonic Tutor
x1 Vampiric Tutor
x1 Darkblast
x2 Sensei's Divining Top


Ok the main is to get Leyline of Singularity right on the board and then cast Hunted Horror, that when he is in play the tokens that he generates for your opponent go away since the legend rule is now in effect.  that the horror has a nice 7/7 body with trample and only casts 2 to get him in.  I thought about making this for one of the tournaments here but i have been testing it on magic workstation and sometimes it works right off the bat and other times it fails. thought about tinker/target but i took those out for the null rods.   please let me know what you think. thanks

would  Augury Adept or Thada Adel, Acquisitor be good choices over say Cold-Eye? i know the island walk is what makes him better.

also wouldn't Adventuring Gear make any one of your creatures a pump dude and the landfall combo will work too.

a lot of dragon decks used either stroke of genius, caller of the claw, Oona Queen of the Fae or even bitter ordeal as a win con for a dragon deck. you are missing a win con for sure

also can probably add

Misdirection
Frantic Search
Demonic Consultation
Darkblast

maybe add in Tormond's Crypt or Relic of Prog in the main deck too *for dredge*

was wondering if shadow of doubt will be playable with all the tutors and fetches out there? i know that it will slow my opponent down alittle but was wondering if it might go well with anything?

i know this card can't be a dead hand card cause it can be fetched to fow, misdirection, unmask.

any news if this card is real yet? i have been checking the main web site for spoilers and so far no news on this card.