Sanctioned Legacy Tournament
When:  2:00 PM
Where:  Just down the road from the Triangle Town Center, turn at the Wayside Furniture Sign.  
       Prestige Games
   5720 Capital Blvd
   Raleigh, NC 27616
   (919)803-8608

Entry Fee: $25
Prize Structure:  Prizes will be based on attendance and will scale as follows:
(All tiers include the prizes from the previous tier unless otherwise noted)
Tier 1) At 8 Participants:
        2 Revised Duals of winners choice to 1st Place
Tier 2) At 16 Participants:
        1 Revised Dual of choice to 2nd Place
        1 Standard Legal Fetch of choice to 3rd/4th Place
Tier 3) At 24 Participants:
        1 Revised Non-Blue Dual of choice to Third/Fourth Place    (This replaces the Fetchlands from the above tier)
   5 Packs to 5th-8th
Tier 4) At 32 Participants:
       (Cut to Top 8)
   2 Packs to 9th-16th
Tier 5) At 48 Participants:
   1 Pack to 17th -24th
   1 Jace TMS Random Door Prize (To be given away before the top 8)
Tier 6 ) At 64 Participants:
Sealed Product will be given out to raise prize payout to a total of $1000
(Scale will be posted in the event these prizes are given away.)

Dont want to play extended?
Come to Raleigh on Saturday December 11th 2010 for a fun filled afternoon of Legacy.
Starting with registration at 11am, and a players meeting at noon.
Entry Fee is $25

Prize Support looks like this*:

First Place: 1x Italian Legends Moat in Nm Condition.
Second Place: 1x Revised Underground Sea in Nm Condition.
Third Place: 1x Revised Tundra in Nm Condition.
Fourth Place: 1x Revised Tropical Island in Nm Condition.

If more than 18 people show up prizes will include:

Fifth Place: 1x Revised Taiga or Volcanic Island in Nm Condition.
Sixth Place: 1x Revised Volcanic Island or Taiga in Nm Condition.
Seventh Place: 1x Revised Bayou in Nm Condition.
Eighth Place: 1x Revised Savannah in Nm Condition.

We are located at:
5720 Capital Blvd
Raleigh Nc 27616

You can give us a call at (919)803-8608

(*All prizes are based on participation.
If 8 people show up, we will give away the Moat, if theres 12, we'll give away second place as well, if at least 16 show we'll give away the top 4.)

I don't think Bob Tendrils is anymore constrained to Oath then regular TPS is.
To say that Bob Tendrils rely on Bob to win, so then TPS is naturally better against it is false.

So, to clarify, since I'm a bit confused by the mental gymnastics you're making me do,
Your opinions are:
Oath is getting the upper hand on Dark Confidant Built whatevers (BobTendrils, and Tezz w/Bob)
TPS (properly tuned) is a better meta call than BobTendrils
Tezzeret has showed a decrease in Bob usage, you attribute this to Oath

Do I have this right?

Where does MUD and such fit on the Confidant usage in Tezz and Tendrils decks?
Or is it solely Oath that is affecting the change.

Is it me, or is it ironic, Dark Confidant is getting edged out by Oath of Druids.
Didn't Bob Maher pilot/create the Old extended version of Oath that probably inspired Vintage oath?

Or has the haze of time and stale pot smoke caused a faulty memory?

Does Jace then win spots in other decks besides Oath?
Does he deserve his $35 Perch?
I agree with Smem in his approach to this arguement that flyfly is being reductionist.
However, I believe that someone with Smem's knowledge and intelligence would address the rest of the issue, and bring it to life, speak the as of yet unspoken, as it were.
What other use does Jace have in the vintage metagame, is he the staple it would suggest?
I also agree that he isnt, however, I cannot ignore both points, the brainstorm and bottom ability, both of which have shown to be game changing effects.
Why is brainstorm restricted? (rhetorical)

Sorry, 2nd Lawl, if you are Max Brown, blue bell winner, I have given you credit with a higher placing finish with the deck, and I believe alluded to you're having been key in the development of the list as it exists here.

Turn one Dark ritual/Null Rod, combined with the fact that gatekeeper and edict are easy to cast under sphere effects, and duresses. MUD is this decks most difficult matchup, I will admit.
Though to assume that either my deck or theirs always got a dark ritual or a workshop online first turn is kinda foolish.
I regularly go off in the first 4 turns of the game, as with most vintage decks, I have one combo that is 2 black mana and two cards, and one combo that is 5 colorless and 2 cards under optimal conditions and 9 mana under sub optimal conditions.
Speed isnt something I'm concerned about with this deck, nor am I concerned with fully powered shop decks in a 5 proxy environment where the average player has to proxy his tarmogoyfs for vintage because he traded them off for Jund or Bant or Baneslayers.

Though, thats why I'm seeking help, the little problem I'm seeing online with Mono-Brown.
Wasteland is really effective there too, maybe crucible and smallpox...

Another Mono-Black Decklist that I was able to dig up.
November 11-09
Top four list from Magic-League Tournament.
11 Swamp
4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Wasteland
4 Dark Depths
1 Strip Mine
2 Gatekeeper of Malakir
4 Vampire Hexmage
4 Dark Confidant
2 Sadistic Sacrament
4 Null Rod
4 Dark Ritual
1 Demonic Consultation
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
4 Duress
4 Thoughtseize
3 Hymn to Tourach
1 Necropotence
1 Yawgmoth's Will
   
Sideboard:
2 Sadistic Sacrament
2 Extirpate
3 Yixlid Jailer
1 Massacre
3 Powder Keg
4 Ravenous Trap

I think the hymns and the excess depths hurt him, as well as not running the second combo.
I'm not sure though, perhaps something I'm not seeing has occurred during these matches.

Max Brown Took First at Blue Bell in Jan of 2010 and Mario Vazquez Took Fifth in Zürich on 28.03.2010 With a deck that has many names, Dark Times, Do you fear Death A, Depths of the Void among others.
This is a strong mono black list that I feel is a great budget deck and a strong competitor in the current Noble Fish/Dredge/Shop/Vault metagame we see.
 
Here is the decklist:

Maindeck (60 cards):
1 Black Lotus
1 Helm of Obedience
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mox Jet
1 Null Rod
1 Pithing Needle
4 Dark Confidant
4 Dark Ritual
1 Darkblast
1 Demonic Consultation
1 Demonic Tutor
2 Diabolic Edict
4 Duress
1 Grim Discovery
1 Imperial Seal
4 Leyline of the Void
1 Sadistic Sacrament
4 Thoughtseize
4 Vampire Hexmage
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will

Lands (20):
2 Dark Depths
1 Strip Mine
11 Swamp
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Wasteland
   
Mario's Sideboard: (15 cards)
2 Bitterblossom
1 Chain of Mephistopheles
1 Diabolic Edict
2 Emissary of Despair
1 Engineered Plague
3 Null Rod
1 Pithing Needle
1 Ravenous Trap
1 Sadistic Sacrament
2 Yixlid Jailer

Max's Sideboard:
Sideboard:
3 Null Rod
2 Emissary of Despair
2 Yixlid Jailer
2 Sadistic Sacrament
1 Ravenous Trap
1 Engineered Plague
1 Pithing Needle
1 Chainer's Edict
1 Chains of Mephistopheles
1 Phyrexian Negator


I really like this deck, because of the dual combo engine, powered by the 4x tutors, two instants at one mana and two sorceries, The Imperial Seal is a bit expensive, but I plan to play in a 5 proxy environment, so I think this deck is dead on, only really requiring 4 proxies, with the mox, lotus, seal and Chains.

The Leylines, being free against most decks where they matter, not only hinder several viable budget decks and give you a one for one against anyone hoping for a yawgwin, but they give you a 5 colorless mana one card win condition, easily tutored for. I cannot count the number of times I've been busting ass to assemble Marit Lage, just to have Void Helm win the game with a duress on the 3rd turn.
The 8 Duress effects I feel add a almost counterspellish control aspect to the piloting of this deck, and the abundance of redundancy, along with an excellent toolbox of bullets to expend your tutor suite on (I have consulted for either hexmage or void for the win more times than I can count.) many situations are simply a shuffle and a draw away from a solution, no matter what your game state is.
I ran Nights Whisper, while I pined away for bob, the task of convincing my wife to let me drop $60 on a playset of Confidants was long and arduous. Eventually, of course, the tide of battle fell my way, and once I had my confidants, I never looked back.
I'm sorry to say, but the advantage, turn after turn, of drawing another card, as well as beating face, just takes the cake for bob. Especially when the hardest hit you take in this deck is Leyline of the void, and the count of painful draws is awesomely low in this deck, 8, most of them are no more damaging then a thoughtseize, and with the speed of vintage these days, the only worry I have about bob or seize is the game going longer than 5 turns.
Again, the dual combo engine helps here.
I ran a version, for kicks, that included 2 painters servants and a grindstone, for a third combo option, but I felt that the cost was too high in terms of card dilution and synergy.


I find during testing that I have been happy with the following changes;
-1 Mox Jet
-2 Diabolic Edict
-1 Grim Discovery

+1 Null Rod
+3 Gatekeeper
In the maindeck.
Though I have been reminded by several Sphinx of the Steel Wind how useful instant speed non-targeted removal can be, and it has me rethinking the gatekeepers main.
This deck reminds me of my old school Necropotence deck, and is what brought me back into Magic after years of despair at Mono-Black's fall from grace.
I dont know though, I havent faced much creature based combat, as my testing is all done against powered Bob and TP Storm, Stax of various colors, and odd sligh and zoo variants.
Very few Tarmogoyfs, until last week, when we all started proxying them. Which proved disastrous, game after game, when playing against heavy UGW.
Hence the sideboard change:

To:
2 Bitterblossom
3 Diabolic Edict
1 Engineered Plague
2 Null Rod
1 Ravenous Trap
1 Sadistic Sacrament (I love this card, I wish I could run 4x)
2 Yixlid Jailer
3 Perish (this is just wrong, but I dont know how else to clear a tarmo/higherach/pridemage board with a dark ritual. This is one of my most boarded and used cards, plus, its immune to spell snare.)

Perish is the best answer I could find for UGW, for tarmogoyf at all. Edict doesnt help much with a hierach or a pridemage on the board backing goyf up. (Same goes for darkblast.)

I've visited the only other (mono) black depths thread I can find, and its ancient.
I'm just wondering if this is still viable, and if anyone has any suggestions.
Thanks in advance.


Edit: Sorry to those who sought credit for this deck and werent given it, I am not claiming credit for coming up with this list, simply looking to improve it with the coming of RoE and a changing Vintage average meta.