Sorry to here that you got paired against Eric. For shame for shame, but it sounds like you had an awesome time. Good luck next time and I hope to see you in St. Louis again. Good job on that side event as well.

Eric great job man. It's good to see that Midwest continues to show why we are badass seriously great job man.

As I told Jacob congrats man. Despite punting certain games like I said all day good deck.. Haha you deserve it though.

While I was not playing I definitely came out to watch a good time. Sorry Jesus aka REB that sucks hardcore bout tiebreakers, regardless it seems as though it was a good tournament. Hopefully next time I can actually make it out to play. Congrats to Leo and Jacob. Team Ogre yet again represents. Eric I await your challenge to steal some power. Later guys,

-Elliot

Highly entertaining Droba. Hopefully I can make it back to StL and finally meet you. Oh and congrats on that top 8 thing i hear those are good. Haha. Congrats.

Congrats to all and JD you never cease to amaze man. Thanks for typing the decklists.

Well I'm glad that you have turned your views on the deck around Nova. 

I concur with Ben's comments as well. Once again, congrats to Mr. Vroman on kickin some serious ass once again.  Good job team. Also congrats are in order to other members of Team Ogre, especially Josh Smith and Aaron Hauptmann. Also JDizzle for once again rockin out with some combo action. I will not comment on the situation involving Mr. Menendian in order to keep this board open. However, I'm glad to see that Team Ogre has once again shown that we are a force to be bargained with and we are not to be taken lightly.

As a few people have stated from Team Ogre time and time again Uba Stax is a deck to be reckoned with which is obvious from the decks performance in the last few tournaments.  Robert Vroman has taken t8 appearances in the 2 SCGs that he has played in (1st and 7th) and also wrecked house for the most part at Origins as well.  He has won numerous pieces of power with it and Team Ogre and St. Louis continue to show what we have to offer to the Vintage World. It makes control quiver in their shoes and I don't really know what to say when you say 5c stax is a rough match for it.  Obviously not that hard considering his repeated performance with the deck.

Obviously to echo everything that everyone else said it is called the power 9 merely because they were the powerhouses back in the times of alpha and beta. Obviously if tinker, yawgwin, etc were printed back then they would be considered power.  However, the term is merely just held I think because everyone knows what you are talking about.  Obviously things like Mishra's Workshop, Bazaar of Baghdad, Library of Alexandria, etc would merit something closer to a modern day set of power.

Savage report.  Congrats on the success that you had as well.

Haha.  That's why he won 2 out of 3  Vintage Tournaments there. And lost the other one coming in 5th? Whatever Nova show your skills at the Lotus tournament.

Wow, You have got to be kidding me. Trust me play CS or WTF against him during the Lotus tournament.  We will see if you tear him apart.

Nova do you know anything about Uba Stax at all? If not I can't wait to see how you do at the Lotus tournament later this month...

I find it funny how you see two lists in the entire metagame and you've decided that you know all of St. Louis. I ask you what excellent amazing deck are you playing that you think can just trounce our metagame? And by the way.. Ever heard of Robert Vroman? Seems he won 2/3 t1 tournaments at Origins just lately as well as coming in 7th place at SCG Chicago? Hmm.

Can't wait till next month's Lotus tournament. StL will show what it truly has to offer.

Congrats Outlaw on your great performance.  Good luck and continue your success with such a deck.

I heard that Robert Vroman has won 2 out of the 3 t1 events that he has played in.  Although I really can't confirm this.  However, I heard the first tournament he was in he t8'd and then lost first round, and the other two he has played in he has won.  Although I could be wrong. Just trying to offer up what I heard from a friend of mine who spoke to Vroman.

Alright hopefully this post offers a little bit to the Aggro Workshop community. First in regards to Rico I'm sorry I ever doubted the power of the Fetches.  They are freaking amazing.  For whatever reason I think I was so preoccupied with Gilded lotus I could never see the true greatness of the fetch lands. I have been playing a build quite similar to yours minus a few changes that I think really push the deck in an amazing direction. I liked how the deck was built and how it seemed to be running, but like other builds such as 5/3 or other things the biggest problem was having Juggernauts fly into creatures and not being able to get in there for the last few points. Also, because of the presence of Uba Stax in my metagame I decided to cut/move the Razormanes to the SB atleast.  Now when SCG Rochester lists came down I saw Ugo Rivard's list of CS and really liked one card in his deck especially.  That card was none other than Lightning Greaves.  This card is a freaking house in this deck.  Like you said its an artifact, gives your guys haste, not to mention stops opposing welders and nullifying swords.  Speeding up Juggies and swinging in with Tinkered/Welder'd Sundering titans the turn they come in is amazing.  Not to mention moving them back to protect your own welders as well as give them haste is a house as well. The changes I made were -2 Razormane and -1 Trike and +3 Lightning Greaves. I like it a lot thus far and hope to smack a few people around with it.  It's really quite amazing. I like the build a lot, and I think Lightning Greaves pushes not only the deck in a positive direction, but the archetype as well.


-w00t3n4t0r@gmail.com or on AIM w00t3n4t0r

I'll do some more extensive testing on the deck later this week. Your deck with fetches that is.

To tell you the truth I'd much rather run more threats and better cards then use them on fetchlands? What do you think the real bonus of running fetchlands beyond brainstorm/fetch? I mean at most you are getting 5 lands? Just curious.

I'm sorry that my post didn't really help you, but to say that my post is useless and tells us nothing about the archetype is a little harsh.  Just because I made changes from your deck and I don't feel like playing the exact same deck as you does not mean there are not positive things that can come from playing this deck.  I did win a piece of power with it, and just because I have never played against you doesn't mean that my deck is crap.  Have you ever played with gilded lotus? That card is amazing because it can generate insane amounts of mana very quickly.  It is quite easy to lay down sundering titan as well as any other creature in the deck by turn 2 which in most cases is up before drain comes online.  We have different metagames as well.  Control Slaver and gifts are not the only decks which I have to prepare for.  How many times have you played against Uba Stax? It is a very interesting deck and one of the strongest in my metagame. Gilded lotus allows you to make up for "this 4 less colored mana that you need".  It allows you to power out tons of things in your deck and really is a huge mana fixer. As far as force of will goes it does have a bit of a lack of blue cards to run it, but I could not afford not run it with some decks running around here. Force of will is a necessity. And with the help of Gilded lotus you can easily hardcast force of will in most cases. Never did I really say this was an aggro deck.  I think aggro decks aren't quite right yet.  This is probably the main reason you have trouble with some decks that control the game such as CS and Gifts. This basically is U/R Workshop Control, and I only posted it in here because it was basically the closest to my deck.  I'm sorry if it doesn't help you, but you are not the only one that reads this post.

And who really plays ornithopter?

Well ha.  I went and tested this build quite a bit more extensively (I had been using a different mana base before and really decided that the deck needed quite a bit of reworking.  So basically here's the decklist I'm playing now: (Changes are in BOLD)

Mana Sources
1x Glimmervoid
4x Mishra's workshop
2x Ancient Tomb
4x Shivan Reef
1x Strip Mine
1x Wasteland
1x Mox Jet
1x Mox Emerald
1x Mox Ruby
1x Mox Sapphire
1x Mox Pearl
1x Black Lotus
1x Mana Vault
1x Mana Crypt
1x Sol Ring
1x Tolarian Academy
3x Gilded Lotus

Draw and Broken Stuff
4x Brainstorm
1x Ancestral Recall
4x Thirst for Knowledge
1x Time Walk
1x Wheel of Fortune
1x Memory Jar
1x Mystical Tutor
1x Tinker
2x Crucible of Worlds

Protection
4x Goblin Welder
4x Chalice of the Void
4x Force of Will

Beef
1x Karn, Silver Golem
1x Memnarch
1x Triskelion
1x Duplicant
1x Sundering Titan
1x Mindslaver

SB (possibilities)
As far as sideboard I really don't know at the moment.

As far as changes are concerned I'll try and explain what I did and why they were made. It seemed with the previous version I was always either flooded or screwed mana wise and I was just not getting things done.  Juggernauts were being blocked I'd daw into land turn after turn. In short it was no good. Instead of playing overload I figured I'd just go back to force.  It can be used for infinitely more things and is just better. I took out Pentavus in favor of better things like slaver. The mana base was kinda janky in the first place and I seemed to be taking quite a bit of damage. So instead I just switched all to shivan reefs and included Crucibles, a strip, and a waste because who are we kidding crucible/waste is in many cases a game winner. Not to mention crucible helps to play against Smokestack. Now onto a few of the comments that you guys made.

@fatalist.remix I was running them because I was damn near killing myself with my lands. But the land base has changed as you can see from above.

@Polynomial P. I like the mana base I have running right now for the moment. In regards to brainstorm I think if you are going to run force of will you have to run it not to mention that brainstorm on t1 can lead into more moxen, chalice of the void, answers, etc.

This deck powers out huge guys and has the potential to go broken all over your opponent's face quite often. It is a lot of fun to play and quite good. Of the matches that I tested today I went 6-0 against UG Fish, and had game versus a few other decks I played against.

First let me congratulate Rico Suave on your high finish and the results you have had and may your results continue to be good.

Next, let me introduce myself because I have not posted on the Drain very much. Maybe 3 or so times. Regardless I have read just about everything that catches my eye on here as well as SCG and I play quite often. My name is Elliot Gross (member of Team Ogre which basically just started). So despite the lack of posts I am not a total noob. I have been playing "workshop aggro" for quite a few months and have gone through many of the problems that you guys seem to be facing.  First I will start out with my decklist, explain my choices, talk about my meta, and we'll go from there. My current list as  of right now:

Mana Sources
2x Volcanic Island
3x City of Brass
2x Glimmervoid
4x Mishra's workshop
2x Ancient Tomb
2x Shivan Reef
1x Mox Jet
1x Mox Emerald
1x Mox Ruby
1x Mox Sapphire
1x Mox Pearl
1x Black Lotus
1x Mana Vault
1x Mana Crypt
1x Sol Ring
1x Tolarian Academy
3x Gilded Lotus


Draw and Broken Stuff
3x Brainstorm
1x Ancestral Recall
4x Thirst for Knowledge
1x Time Walk
1x Fact or Fiction
1x Wheel of Fortune
1x Mystical Tutor
1x Tinker

Protection
4x Goblin Welder
4x Chalice of the Void
3x Overload

Beef
3x Juggernaut
1x Memnarch
1x Triskelion
1x Duplicant
1x Sundering Titan
1x Pentavus

SB (possibilities)
1x Overload
3x Rack and Ruin
3x Choke
3x Damping Matrix
1x Duplicant
1x Sundering Titan
3x Null Rod
3x Viashino Heretic?
2x Maze of ith?
2-3x Ray of Revelation?



Now after you look at the deck you may be perplexed by the idea, card choices, etc. But all will be explained shortly. When first looked at it may remind you Gilded Claw etc. The deck gets tons of mana really quick, and can consistently power out things like Bus, Titan, Memnarch as early as turn 2. Now I have tried out things like Gilded Claw (actually I was playing a version much like this before Dan Carp performed so highly with "Gilded Claw") and things like Rico Suave's Aggro Workshop, but neither deck really has performed the way I really wish it to.

Now a short look into my metagame. I'm not sure how familiar you guys are with Uba Stax (Piloted by Robert Vroman at SCG Chicago), but @ our local store Ogre's (Owned and Run by Robert Vroman) I have the delight pleasure to play against it in every tournament I play in.  Our store has a very limited number of people except for our power tournaments.  However, it is a very strong metagame. Decks usually consistent of 1x Doomsday, 1x Uba Stax, 2-3 UG Fish, 2-3 Stax, 2-3 CS, 1-2x Affinity along with a few other decks present. Usually this deck would wreck house vs. most of these decks except for the fact that my good friend, Robert Vroman is now running 3 maindeck null rod in his deck, which is a complete house against my deck in most cases. Hence the reason I am running 3 maindeck overload. I am also not playing Karn, Memory Jar, etc for the same reason (Null Rod is running around again). Now from looking at your posts I see that Fish and Drain decks are your biggest problems.  I have had 6 SB slots dedicated to these matchups and they have preformed fairly well. If fish is your problem run Damping Matrix (you may think I'm a noob, but I'm dead serious.  Test it. It is really freaking good against UG Fish. It turns their creature base into a bunch of overcoasted 1/1 and 2/2s stops jitte, stops vial, etc. It is good.) The other bomb vs. drain and fish is Choke. Granted you may have to run a mana base kind of like mine (which is terrible if you are playing against people running B2B etc, but it has preformed fairly well. Not to mention it makes you realize that you dont mind playing sundering titan at any time because it never nukes any of your lands and choke never affects you as well.
My SB changes for power tournaments as well because of the increase of oath at these events compared to my normal metagame.

I guess the reason I'm posting on here is looking if you guys think there is anyway to really improve this as well as trying to offer some answers to some of the problems you guys seem to be facing. If you are close enough to St. Louis I strongly urge you to come down first to the Ancestral Recall tournament on the 26th and then to the Black Lotus tournament on July 31 (the day after SCG Chicago).  I'd love to meet some drainers and show what St. Louis and Team Ogre have to offer. For more info check out www.Ogrescards.com.  Thanks.

You can contact me at w00t3n4t0r@gmail.com or on AIM at w00t3n4t0r. Thanks,

-Elliot Gross aka w00t3n4t0r

I had the luck to walk in at the end of the tournament to see the last 2 rounds of play.  Great to all those in the tournament.  Unfortunately I couldn't be there, see ya in the Ancestral tourney! Congrats to all that played.