Well Im shooting for the first one to be on the weekend of Sept 6th, 13th, or 20th. Saturday or sunday will be up to you guys, and Ill be throwin up atleast a couple hundred in $ support. I think Sept is good that way everyone gets all the standard and block stuff out of the way, and so we dont lose people cuz they dont have a deck due to those formats.

Ya we can hold the events any day, I just need to know what works for everyone, PM me the days your open consistently. I want to hear from Lou, Trav, Conley, Pierce, Brett, Brennan, Bob, Scotty lucksack, and Carl. From there we can spread the word and hopefully have the first in 2 months. and also PM me what you think would be the best start time.

TY Carl for all the events and I hope in the future we will have more. I have looked into renting a few venues for monthly/bi-monthly events $10-$15 entry with $100-$150 1st place prize depending on attendance I wanted to see generally what the CO community would think about this, The locations that I have looked at are all around the Thornton/Westminster area either right off I-25 or 36. Give me your feedback and this is A.J. for those of you I know personally. Also the Prize support will go up the more people we have, It wont be costing me a whole lot to run the events so if we do a $15 entry it would basically be $5 to the venue and $10 to the prize pool as long as we have 15+ people. hit me up ASAP, I would like to hold an event with in the next 2 months so i need feedback right away

Once people play a little while they will realize that it was a good choice on part of the DCI but I think the more pressing matter at hand is the fact that while slowing down Blue control/Combo based decks they did not slow down Ichorid, stax, and belcher. Blue will still be greatly playable but without a restriction of Bazaar, Serum Powder, or Shop/Sphere blue will be strictly slower than these decks and much less likely to have the FoW they will need to live to the later turns. I like that Brainstorm is gone, now with that Gifts and scroll restricted we might actually get back to the good ol' draw like Thirst and Intuition/AK, but I fear that the format will drown if those 3 decks(Ichorid, Stax, and Belcher) arent brought down to the pace of the rest of the format.

Brainstorm was restricted because they felt they could slow the format down by doing so, ponder was unnecessary. The main issue with the new B/R is that by cutting Brainstorm they slowed mainly blue combo while leaving ichorid and shop decks at the same pace.

I understand what they were trying to do with brainstorm, using it to slow the format down, but ponder was excessive. with out nerfing Ichorid at all and taking blues draw core out, they have basically yanked half the talent from the format. hopefully theyll do something about ichorid in the next few months, then it will be back to a lil shop a lil control(slaver or just drain) and a lil combo, but for the next few months vintage is going to suck and alot of tournaments are going to have 5+ players of the top8 there because play quality wont be as important as the power level of autopilot decks. I see alot of upcoming top 8s having 2-3 shop decks, 2-3 Ichorids, and 1st or second place will be an actual talent deck. but oh well since when has wizards actually been smart in regards to this format, were just going to start seeing a new level of gameplay and alot of new innovative ideas that werent possible before.

Damn Did it again lol, Congrats.

Mile High Comics has just hosted a Cash Prize Legacy tournament, and we're trying to create a larger turnout for next time. I am posting this thread to see how many people would attend if we hosted another Legacy tournament. We also intend to host a Type 1 tournament in the next few months, and would like to get an idea of interest for that as well. If you'd consider attending, please post in this thread, and that will give us an idea of interest in these formats.

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In my list you can replace merchant scroll 4 or gifts 4 with another island, i think 26 is just overkill. I probably will go down to 1 Underground, i just used a general build for testing and slightly modded it, 2 Undergrounds is the most common.


And it may be very meta reliant but i just wanted to present the idea because it is a great use for Gifts' possible metagame slots, it may not be played everywhere but it definitely will be used and can increase some aspects of the deck. The card may even be more suited for a tendrills only version of the deck, i havent had the time to test that yet.

How is getting a card that you need EOT with Demonic or Scroll not card selection? thats the point of those cards, they get you what you want when you need it. Quicken just helps you not to be so vulnerable during your turn and save your mana for Drain.


That is a small bonus when you pull it off, but the main point of using Quicken is have the ability to have your counters ready when there important, and if you dont use them you can tutor without being worried if there gonna go off that turn.


Any sorcery EOT for just 1 more mana is way more useful, it makes sure you wont over extend during your turn, EOT Tinker puts you on turn closer to winning, and gives your opponent 1 less possible card to draw that might be an answer. Just look at ravager, not the best example im sure but look at this, the artifact lands suck, they die to everything, but you play them because they help everything else be a little better.

Im not saying that Quicken is incredible by it self but look at the ups and down:
The +'s
+Lets you hold tutors til EOT while keeping Drain mana up
+replaces itself in your hand
The -'s
- isnt thirst or Mis-d 3
not really much else

Ill have to check on that because i was informed of that trick by a judge. but even beyond that the other uses of the card are the main reason it was added to the deck.

Pretty much the only playable cards in a serious metagame are Quicken and Shattering Spree, they have great potential, I just posted a thread about the power of Quicken in Gifts that also has a sideboard Shatter Spree

So one of the only talked about cards for vintage coming out of guildpact (besides the obvious card, Shattering Spree) is Quicken. Now many people have said that it is way to conditional and that it makes you rely on having a sorcery in hand at all times, Well me and one of my teammates strongly disagreed with
that argument. Basically Quicken gives you the opportunity to make all the already broken cards in your deck absolutely insane, being able to cast yawgs will
on your opponents turn and go for the win, possibly in response to theirs, or for instance just doing something as simple as demonic tutoring or casting burning wish EOT, and not to mention the game swinging EOT Tinker for DSC.  The card adds a large amount of card
selection to the deck by not having to tap out during your turn when you might need to have mana drain available. We decided to build a standard gifts
ungiven deck and add just a slightly more efficient tutoring card. The only thing I think may need to be changed is that I took out Island #4 for a fourth
Merchant Scroll, but beyond that we haven't been able to find anyway that this card hinders the performance of the deck, at worst it draws a card EOT or
pitches to Force and Mis-D. In fact we believe that the card greatly increases the opportunities you have to make your turn more explosive and ensure a win
where before you wouldn't have had the mana or proper cards in hand.

Basically you can statically replace Thirst for Knowledge from a modern or a Composite list from Smmenen's most recent starcity article with Quicken. Thirst
nets you 1-2 cards which you may not want, where as Quicken nets you at least 1 card, and the possibility of using at least 10 other cards in the deck at a
more convenient time.

The only opposing argument I have heard to that replacement was that Thirst provides cards advantage over Quicken. Not to be an echo, but I do believe Clown Of Tresserhorn had a very good point in saying that card selection is in most cases more important than card advantage. Why would you want a billion cards that you dont want when you could just have 1 that simply wins the game.


Team Remedys Quicken Gifts

Artifacts
1 Black Lotus
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring

Artifact Creatures
1 Darksteel Colossus

Instants
1 Ancestral Recall
4 Brainstorm
1 Chain of Vapor
4 Force Of Will
4 Gifts Ungiven
4 Mana Drain
2 Misdirection
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Rebuild
3 Quicken
 
Sorceries
1 Burning Wish
1 Demonic Tutor
4 Merchant Scroll
1 Recoup
1 Time Walk
1 Tinker
1 Yawgmoth's Will

Basic Lands
3 Island

Snow-Covered Lands
1 Snow-Covered Island

Lands
2 Flooded Strand
3 Polluted Delta
2 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island

Legendary Lands
1 Tolarian Academy

Sideboard:
well to be honest it is going to change depending on your meta, but for sure you want:
1 Shattering Spree
1 Tendrills of Agony
2-3 Pithing Needles
and most likely a few Darkblast
Ive also been trying Imperial Seal


We have been testing this version since about the second day that the card was added to salvations spoiler and so far it out performs standard versions of
gifts in almost every aspect.

If you are able to find anything else that may better the deck plz let me know and ill be sure to test it, but beyond that just try the deck and you'll see
why this 1 card changes it SO much.

congrats to everyone who t {8}ed and hopefully this will go to show that there still is plenty of innovation in type  it just stays within the same archtypes :lol:

i played the card at chicago and i wishes i played more rebs or pyroblast, it hinders gifts for like 1 turn when they still have other tutors to use, and if ur worried about grimlong then just play more counters, plus you cant shadow will,bargain,potence, or any other decent combo pieces

you obviosly wouldnt vamp than dredge, play the deck or just normal tog then come put input b/c you have know idea what you are talking about

granted, but if your gonna get into t1 your gonna have to make an investment somewhere, its either shops, drains, bazaars, or power.

no ur playing 5 will tutors so thats no prob so dredge is added tog damage, if u know half way how to play the deck this would never fail

you tutor for the will and hold it, then dredge away, and you can still hide it using brainstorm to avoid duress

well it was my first big tourney and it was awesome, even though i scrubbed out i met a bunch of cool peeps, and much congrats to steve, jd and vroman, finally we see combo rise again!

dude i love this deck, but you need to change ur build, i won my first mox with this and the best salvager targets are 3 phyrexian furnace, 2 pyrite, 1 xplosives, beyond that the rest is just mono blue oath until the turn you win

this deck is pointless, why woulld you ever rector for eye when you could just grab yawgs bargain and just win

life of the loam and darkblast are perfect for tog, whats better than building your grave for that huge yawgs will or the game winning swing, just look at extended, dredge-a-tog and mad-tog are brutally abusing these cards

The main prob w/fish is that workshop aggro is just bigger, faster and stronger than fish could ever be, why go turn 2, meddling mage, when you can just go turn 1 juggernaught?

grim is just way stronger b/c you have way more ways to get to will or tendrils

standstill should be the main draw

And I thought I was obsessive LoL J/K  :lol: