Would you ever play burning wish over grim tutor? I wouldn't !

Yawg win maindeck + infinite tutor/manipulation effects (brainstorm...)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 burning wish

On the other hand, I can see the wish being usefull in a control deck.

Since grim tutoris legal, I don't see what explains burning wish restriction.

Key is kind of obvious but...


What about burning wish? Does anyone sees a deck running 4 B.whishes when you can play 4 grim tutors? I'm quite sure the card would be played as four of in certain deck but its not stronger than options (namely grim) and could open build possibilities.

see you all at the vintage side event

Just had to say I feel this article is the first steve's one in a while that was not totally written to make some $$$

I really,really enjoyed that one!


As for LOA, I like that card a lot but not maindeck. Sometimes you just keep a poor seven hand that wins if there is no wasteland on the other side but you dont know if you play against stax or slaver.
On the other hand, against combo you want UU open turn 2 (and thus to be alive at that point) and LOA fails to do that. Combo can also make you trash your hand to disrupt them, LOA doest shine here!


a card that i don't want to see against combo, stax and fish is a sideboard card.

Can't you just concede in response?

I'd rather light a cigarette with a 100$ bill than rip a mox!

I've never seen a blacker lotus torn apart...but a real one !!

False, it actually work.

Challice triggers at the end of the resolution and at that time it won't be in play!

hi all

i just realized i couldn't post in most of this forum and i've just read it might be becouse i never posted here...so here I am

i play since mirodin, am a control player at heart and made a couple top 8 in small tourny...usually getting at the 9 th place for important tourny .

props for this forum that learnt me so much!

there are 60 cards if you count the academy 


only 18 people came for various reasons :

-only 36 were to compete anyway plus a waiting list of 16 in case some couldn't make it (which obviously happened  )
-the french nationals were on the same day
-it was on a saturday
-many people had already booked their vacation when the tourny's day was announced


still, most of the best french player were there and the top 8 is filled with exelent players, though it's remains sad!




Adrien

how is it better than dark confidant?

they do pretty much the same thing but one costs 1B 

it's french and yeah, they are removed!

The article is indeed good but I don't see the point...

Why do you always test without sideboard when dredge.deck is probably the one deck that has the best advantage MD and that has to fight a lot of hate post side!

The simple fact that in those tests dredge only won by 4/3 shows that it would probably loose to a best out of three game!


Good article but I believe it overvalues dredge's match ups!

nobody can give a good answer if you dont tell the card that will be removed if you indeed force...or if you have the choice between two or more cards to trash.

For instance, if the card is chain of vapor, you should force...

TT stands for Tendrils Tutor...but klu wanted to name it Ten Tendrils lately though

I toped 4 with a deck quite similar to yours two weeks ago...since i used to play gift i kept my old gift list and tweaked it a bit to fit confidant.



3 Island
3 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island
4 Polluted Delta
1 Flooded Strand
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Swamp

1 Darksteel Colossus
3 Dark Confidant

1 Demonic Tutor
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Yawgmoth's Will
2 Gifts Ungiven
1 Tinker
1 Time Walk
4 Mana Drain
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
4 Brainstorm
1 Sol Ring
4 Force of Will
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
3 Duress
1 Recoup
2 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Rebuild
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Merchant Scroll

SB: 1 Duress
SB: 2 Chain of Vapor
SB: 2 Pithing Needle
SB: 2 Rack and Ruin
SB: 1 Darkblast
SB: 3 Tormod's Crypt
SB: 2 Pyroclasm
SB: 1 Sundering Titan
SB : 1 Gush

don't blame me for the side, it sucks indeed but i decided to play the deck a couple days before the tourny...gush is the best example for "oops, i need another card in my side".


I went twice 2/0 against slaver, 2/0 against stacker, 1/2 against grim long and ID to top 8.
In quarter I went 2/1 against kobold (in game one he killed me on turn 2 after a duress and a FOW :shock:).
In semi i lost 1/2 because the deck totally failed me in two "worst ever" mana death...all the same i was one turn away from wining if he didn't top deck the vampiric =>bounce to get rid of my 11/11.


the gift engine was amazing and each time i lost 4 hp to get it, I won the next turn or was able to survive (IE against stax : 4 permanants).

this deck totally destroys control since it draws a lot by very different ways (hard to hate), can totally win without any bob (I haven't seen them in half the games) and has a lot of disruption.

against stax it has a good chance thanks to its pretty stable mana base (swamp is tech ).

fish can be tricky but the 7/10 should Finnish the game.

oath is a great match up...a 3 turns kill is just too slow but a turn one orchard/oath can complicate things.

I didn't get to test against aggro...

after testing, tinker doesn't belong to the MD...I only killed with it once against stacker and once against slaver (hardcasted :lol:).

2 tops are too much...i might even cut the last one which tends to make you wait while you have pretty much won the game. Anyway i don't fear the bob's life loss, they are just too slow!


In this deck merchant is amazing, it gets bounces (kill in its own in mid game), gifts (the same) ancestral in the first turns and even tinker via mystical against aggro deck!


I'm still concerned by :

i would like to know in which match up your combo version is better than the controlish one you have also posted...what kind of reason would make you chose a version rather than the other one to a tourney?

great deck BTW 

you can start packing, girls (at least one ) do have their power set, you might even know one (sophia metz...related to serges metz who you should know!).


report at clichy : none...the 9th place sucks 

or you can just use your squee as usual and use your BoB in response to the needle...what's the point in leaving a squee in the grave after the first activation?