When Grozoth comes into play, you may search your library for any number of cards that have converted mana cost 9, reveal them, and put them into your hand. If you do, shuffle your library

"Once that happens you grab tendril's of agony or burning wish, Hurkyl's Recall or CoV if needed"

None of those cards have CMC = 9


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   SIDEBOARD
3   Orim's Chant
1   Exalted Angel
3   Serra Avenger
2   Energy Flux
1   Rebuild
1   Chalice of the Void
1   Tormod's Crypt
3  Old Man of the Sea

"The rest of the field was quite varied. "


Dave, he was talking about what decks were there BESIDES the top 8.  If you add up top 8 plus the decks he mentions you get =33

Hi,

This is Don.

The list is only missing 2 plains.

Sorry about the mistake.

Testing randomly is possible when your test decks all had the same sleeves and your testing partner randomly selects the deck before you test.  This only helps with game one and getting a good feel of your deck.  Which is good to know, but shouldn't be your primary method of testing.  You should already know how to play your own deck.

The majority of your testing should be with post sideboarded decks.  You play more post-sideboarded games than you do pre-sideboard. Even though it seems obivous, I don't think people do this enough.  I still see people throwing cards in their board because they suspect it will be key in a certain matchup, but don't do the testing to back it.

Testing the random game one of a tournament isn't really that important.   It is something, with abundant time, you could tackle, but only after having mastered the games 2-3 of a match.

You should try Staff of domination.

Staff of Domination is a much better for this deck than bottled cloister.  It has more options and you get a combo with metal worker.

The Jotun grunt fish decks seem to be running 3-4 Null Rods main deck these days.  Dave Feinstein's list from Waterbury is gaining popularity.

Now I would be wondering why there wasn't an Isamaru or Savannah Lions dropped on turn one and maybe think they are playing Slavagers, but I wouldn't put them on not having  a null rod with only a tundra showing.

They speak spanish in spain

One confusing part, that I think Dave is trying to point out, is that you are calling the rounds "turns".

Which makes it hard to read the report.

I see this as one of the main reasons to run the greaves.  I noticed more and more people using jitte and if it gets active you will have a hard time getting a welder past summoning sickness.

It wasn't mentioned, but
Was tendrils the only spell cast on that turn?  If so you could misdirect it back to him and you wouldn't die.

Anyways, grats on the win.

it is hard to make out your english, but...

Yes, they can discard two cards if they want.  It wont Change anything, though, both of his examples still work if they decide to throw two away.

You don't have to rely on welder in this deck. The majority of the time you are either tinkering belcher into play or hardcasting it.

I had missed the seat of synod in your decklist.  It was pointed out.  No need to resort to more "trash talking" like you say you want to avoid.  IT was covered.



You shouldn't get mad at his comment.  Especially when you are trying to acheive the same thing that he has stated.  Same as the other version, you want to control the game (control deck) and then win via severance-belch (combo win).  No need to get Titan if you can get belcher and Mana severance, is the point. You can just win, not win more.


If the deck is refined to perfection, why ask for comments that only seem to get you mad?

That isn't always true.  If your deck loses focus than it will fail.  and bringing up an easily answerable hoser (null rod) doesnt' change that.

what I am trying to disucss is that the core of the deck, mana severance and goblin charbelcher, may be strong enough to cary the deck without adding everything else.  

I saw a list with a triskelion main and a Collosus side seems like enough of an extra element to help the deck along.  the other cards (titan, crucible, mindslaver) can be good, but they don't seem needed.

While I agree with being able to have flexibility in a deck, you also have to consider efficiency and if you are watering down a deck.

You could fetch Crucible + Strip mine + trisk + Titan, or you could get Yawgmoths will + Recoup + demonic tutor + tinker  EOT and win on your turn. (something I have done with a similar decklist)

 Some of those components mentioned  are good ways to randomly win, but wouldn't you rather have a consistant path to victory that you could rely on?

Origination of a deck is relatively meaningless.  A perfection of a decklist and correct playing is really what matters.

I was playing a straight U/b belcher list since about september and I can hardly claim that I invented it.  It played like Tog until you drained into a blecher + severance.   I made a couple top 8s with it, but nothing too significant.  recently I played against a fellow who mentioned he used to play a U/r version of serverance with welders, but had abandoned the belcher in favor of a more slaver version.  Which got me thinking that I should splash red for welders and recoup. I must say, it changed the deck a LOT, but also added a lot of power and flexibility.  My list is different from yours, but I would agree that it is a great deck archetype.


that said....

I am curious if the addition of slaver and crucible (and even titan) really helps in the decks effectiveness.  It can't really abuse slaver like the control slaver decks (creating an infinite lock) and can't have a early lock with crucible like workshop decks.  Couldn't those slots be dedicated to something that will allow the deck to out right win?  And if these targets ARE great and even better, Is the decks skeletoon better suited to drop the severance belch and just be more like its Control-Slaver brother?

The Mind slaver can be a good tutor out (some decks do can kill themselves so easily). but I really do question the crucible the most.  It seems more like a "nice thing to have" than a game stopper (something I would look for in a tutor target).



-D