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Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Dumb plays you've always wanted to see in Vintage
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on: April 28, 2014, 07:48:26 pm
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EDIT: This isn't one dumb play but a series of them. At a Waterbury 10 years ago or so, I was just a noob to the competitive Vintage scene. I decided to run D4rg0n for fun despite expecting to see a lot of hate for it. Round one, I lose the die roll and my opponent plays Taiga, Root Maze, pass. I thought to myself, 'This is going to be a looooong day.' After starting 0-X, Ray announced that last place among players that played all 7? or maybe 8 rounds would receive a foreign booster pack of Homelands. I was playing a deck that could mill itself to death or mana burn for an arbitrarily large amount. Needless to say, going 0-X wasn't difficult. I was super excited to see a Baron Sengir in the pack. Best $100 pack of Homelands ever.
I remember going to that; was a good trip. And I do remember you trying to kill yourself turn 1 the last several rounds. I still played Oath then, and let me tell you, Griselbrand is way better than Akroma and Spirit of the Night.
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Eternal Formats / Blue-Based Control / Re: Rainbow Demon--a new ICBM Oath Variant
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on: January 22, 2012, 08:30:20 pm
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I played this deck to another top 8 finish this weekend. A slightly modified list, it can be found here http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=43851.0. (Justin Navickas, "Demon Oath") I played red for REBs in the board, which were nice. Remoras were good as I thought they would be. I think if I played the list again I would change the Pierces to Thoughtseizes. This protects spells and strips of bombs. Noxious Revival let's you loop with 2 Demons fine, and gives you the opportunity to buyback Recall sometimes, which is awesome. I lost 2 matches I feel I should have won, not play mistakes, but bad beats, and got blown out in t8 by the nuts both games. Round 3, game 3: I mulligan to 5 on draw, no FOW. He goes: Lotus, U.Sea, DT, Channel, Emrakul. Extra turn attack, land drop, Time Walk, gg. Well that was fun. Round 4, game 3. I ramp and play Remora and we build hands. Remora going to 6 on stack, thanks to Academy, I Vamp looking for an Orchard, with Oath already in play. We trade lots of counters. Vamp ends up being countered. I drew 4 from Remora plus draw step and found no Orchard, counters, tutors, or sculpting/digging spells. Boo. And top 8 he draws nuts both games: counters, Time Walk, Recall, Gushes, Tinker. I had 1 turn game 1. And game 2 I had a few but can't compete with 3 Gushes chained with a Fastbond and a last Brainstorm. Definitely a good deck and will give it another chance next time I can.
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Eternal Formats / Blue-Based Control / Re: Rainbow Demon--a new ICBM Oath Variant
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on: December 18, 2011, 02:54:15 pm
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Top was definitely subpar for me as well, maybe that is what I could cut for Gifts/Scroll. I also don't like Ponder, I think Preordain is just better. Without the fetches you can't reliably take the best card and then shuffle the others away. I'd rather have Scroll or just a 4th Preordain. The picture is also better.
Academy is okay. I had it in 3 games maybe and it was only 2 mana max everytime and once I got stuck with no artifacts. Which is fine, but this deck doesn't really need mana. It is awesome when you resolve a Will though, obviously. Even so, it is still probably better than another dual or basic, so I'll probably keep it anyway.
The meta where I played a quite a bit of blue and combo, so I'll probably true to squeeze Remora or something into the sideboard next time.
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Eternal Formats / Blue-Based Control / Re: Rainbow Demon--a new ICBM Oath Variant
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on: December 18, 2011, 01:40:14 am
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I also wanted to mention: voltron00x had suggested Gifts or something. I never had a problem generating mana with this deck. You could easily run Gifts or something in here if you wanted to. I don't really have any suggestions on piles nor am I giving it any thought, because I don't know what I would cut for Gifts, but it would be doable strictly mana-wise if you were interested.
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Eternal Formats / Blue-Based Control / Re: Rainbow Demon--a new ICBM Oath Variant
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on: December 18, 2011, 01:38:25 am
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So I haven't played Vintage in 3 or 4+ years, but I recently moved and Vintage is more popular than Legacy here so I gave it a wing yesterday.
I played this deck and it was very good. I played the exact list on the front page, except I only had 1 Rune-Scarred Demon and the dealer/store didn't have any, so I had to proxy 2 and thus had to change to other cards I planned on proxying. I ran 3 Underground Sea and a Library of Alexandria and changed the Mox Pearl to a Lotus Petal (which was actually probably better because the blue mana was nice and definately helped at least 1 game and wasn't a problem in any games). The only problem I had was the gripe I always have with Oath, even though I love it; drawing dead cards. It happened probably like 9 out of the 11 or 12 games I actually played.
I went 3-0-2 in swiss and lost in the top 8 to TPS. In the top 8 I had to mulligan 1 game and keep a 6 with a dead card (which happened a lot) and just got blown out by Mind's Desire. And in the other game I played Orchard, Mox, Oath. He Chain of Vapors Oath and drew a Force to counter it when I replayed and that was pretty much game. I think I mostly lost because I had some really bad draws that round.
All in all the deck was really solid though and is definately powerful. I will be playing this at the next tournament I get a chance to soon.
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Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / 3rd at Philly/Blue Bell T1 4.5.08
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on: April 13, 2008, 04:48:26 pm
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Intro Since gush was unrestricted last year I’ve basically dedicated myself to playing the card. It’s just too broken not to play, and I believe any deck with it gives you a better chance of achieving victory.
Here’s the list I played:
Gush Storm 1x Darksteel Colossus
1x Ancestral Recall 1x Black Lotus 4x Brainstorm 1x Demonic Tutor 4x Duress 1x Echoing Truth 1x Empty the Warrens 1x Fastbond 4x Force of Will 4x Gush 1x Lotus Petal 4x Mana Drain 4x Merchant Scroll 2x Misdirection 1x Mox Emerald 1x Mox Jet 1x Mox Pearl 1x Mox Ruby 1x Mox Sapphire 1x Mystical Tutor 1x Regrowth 1x Tendrils of Agony 1x Time Walk 1x Tinker 1x Vampiric Tutor 1x Yawgmoth’s Will
3x Flooded Strand 1x Island 1x Library of Alexandria 3x Polluted Delta 1x Snow-Covered Island 2x Tropical Island 2x Underground Sea 1x Volcanic Island
Sideboard 4x Annul 2x Blue Elemental Blast 3x Extirpate 2x Fire/Ice 1x Spawning Pit 3x Trygon Predator
As you can see it plays a lot of control with duress, force of will, misdirection, and a complete set of mana drains. It’s similar to TTS (The Tropical Storm) except I play the drains over rituals, and the likes of necropotence/timetwister/doomsday.
The sideboard is dedicated to beat the meta there, which is usually no ichorid (thus no leylines) with the extirpates for mirror matches and flash. The annuls are hopefully helpful against stax which is about the worst matchup of all time.
Tournament Report (This is over a week ago and my memory is not outstanding; thus the matches will probably tend to be brief)
Round 1: Dan Herd
Dan is playing a BUW meta hate deck with confidants, aven mindcensors, extirpates, etc.
Game 1 he gets a confidant in play and my life goes down by 2 for a couple of turns as where his goes, 20, 19, 17, 16, 0 and he is tendrils out. Game 2 I remember he establishes early control and drops 3 meddling mages on key cards and I quickly succumb. Game 3 is a long fought duel. I eventually empty the warrens for like 8 tokens and ride to victory.
1-0 (2-1)
Round 2: David R
Game 1 we both play some fetches and forces and it’s quickly obvious this is the mirror match. He tinkers a colossus into play but I’m holding for an end of turn echoing truth. On my next turn I tinker in my own big man and his life totals show 15, 4, dead. Game 2 I quickly empty the warrens for 8 and ride that for a few turns.
2-0 (4-1)
Round 3: Ryan
Game 1 he opens with fast beats and over the next couple of turns I die to R/G Beats. Game 2 he gets in his quick beats and I just sculpt my hand and try to deal with threats and eventually tendrils him. Game 3 my deck basically gives me nothing and by the time I try to combo out he has double lightning bolts.
2-1 (5-3)
Round 4: Jeremy
Game 1 he controls me with duress/thoughtseize and plays doomsday. He’s got me where he wants me but his doomsday pile is wrong and I win. Game 2 he gets gush-bond and we all know how that ends. Game 3 I get control with my duress and control package and win off a mini empty the warrens over a couple of turns.
3-1 (7-4)
Round 5: ?
Game 1 he opens up with kird ape or something so I’m in for R/G Beats again. He basically smashes my face for a few damage a turn. When I get to like 8 life I get a tendrils to bounce back up to 20 and then gain complete control and drop colossus and walk like twice. Game 2 I fan open my opening hand of 4x force of will, mystical tutor, misdirection, and ancestral recall. I keep and basically force every card he plays until I draw a land on my second turn and combo out quickly there after.
4-1 (9-4)
Round 6: Justin T
I know he is playing flash and we both draw into top 8.
4-1-1 (9-4-1)
Top 8 quarterfinals: Jason Jones
I make top 8 which consists of 2 gush decks, 2 g/r beats, and 4 flash decks. I obviously drove 2.5 hours here to play with one of my teammates that came along in the top 8.
Game 1 I get a nice hand and resolve some duress effects with forces and quickly combo out on turn 3. Game 2 I again establish control and when he tries to go off I extirpate his hulks and after taking a couple damage combo off.
Top 4 semifinals: Jeremy (rd 4 opponent) with TTS
So I basically beat this guy in the swiss due to him making a mistake so I’m not too confidant. In all honestly he had about the only deck in the field I didn’t want to play so I was quite disappointed having to play him again.
Game 1 he opens with like sea duress, lotus into necropotence. I get like 2 more turns but I can’t break through. Game 2 we both have minimal disruption and just before he is going to combo off I topdeck yawgmoth’s will and ancestral recall into the nuts of like fastbond, lotus, and gush or something completely ludicrous like that and pull out the victory I don’t deserve probably. Game 3 he opens with duress and is control from there out. He kills me with a bunch of 1/1 goblins via empty the warrens.
I finish in 3rd/4th so I’m quite pleased with the performance the deck gave me. The cards I’m not sure I would play are the mana drains. They are quite slow and it showed in the matches with Jeremy. His deck seemed very streamlined and I really liked what the doomsday added to the deck.
All the annuls went unused so I’m still not sure on them, but they have use against stax and oath. I played neither of those matchups as the field was quite diverse although the heaviest played deck was definitely flash, so maybe I need to add the REBs back in the side.
Props Well ran tournament My team for 2/3 making top8 My deck for running pretty well Nice restaurant shop next door
Slops Expensive gas Playing the same guy twice and getting rocked basically every game although splitting the rounds Playing teammate top 8
Thanks for reading and any deck suggestions reply.
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