I really like Unmask whenever I'm on the play. Leyline is trash when you bazaar into it, and in my neck of the woods I'm the only dredge player.

I run a maindeck Wispmare and Ingot Chewer plus one or two dread return. It gives me outs to quick oaths, belchers, etc. while still being great postboard.

I've had a lot of success with Disrupting Shoal as extra Forces versus combo decks. They're also fine on the draw versus shops. Something like:

5 Island
4 Polluted Delta
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
1 Lotus Petal
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
3 Null Rod
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Ponder
1 Brainstorm
1 Treasure Cruise
1 Chalice of the Void
2 Disrupting Shoal
4 Force of Will
4 Mental Misstep
4 Cursecatcher
4 True-name nemesis
4 Silvergill Adept
4 Lord of Atlantis
4 Master of the Pearl Trident
//Sideboard
2 Disrupting Shoal
3 Dismember
3 Hurkyl's Recall
4 Grafdigger's Cage
3 Pithing Needle

Wow, nobody likes Dredge...except me.

A single Jace or Tezzeret in the place of a Preordain could go a long way.

10 people showed up yesterday. Lots of diveristy--Shops, Doomsday, Dredge, Delver, Mentor, 2x Gifts, Oath, Blue Belcher, and GWB hatebears!

Riftstone Portal helps cast Abrupt Decay. Wispmare triggers bridges against a Priest and kills RIP. Unmask gets both cards on the play. There's always Chain of Vapor.

I'm most likely in. Would it be this friday?

I think this deck should probably have a Sensei's divining top or two, with all the spare colorless mana lying around.

I have always disliked unmask out of the sideboard, for the simple fact that you will probably not be on the play in the majority of your sideboardrd games. I've also found most of the dread return package to be win-more in the maindeck. Your current list is going to have a very, very hard time beating Yixlid Jailer in particular, with 2 outs in your 75.

For what it's worth, my current 75 for Dredge has 4 misstep, chewer, wispmare, and claim, plus 3 Darkblast and 3 chain of vapor. I find that I almost always keep in the full set of missteps post-board, precisely because of misstepping misstep. The only possible exception is when I am literally boarding in all 15 sideboard cards and I am desperate for space.

If I had to go down, mulling to oblivion to find Bazaar game 3 was the way to go. A big thanks to everyone who made this tournament such a pleasant experience.

Okay. Let's say that the first drop of the shops player is countered, and then the blue player has the second land and mox for Nemesis. Then the shops player drops a Lodestone Golem, or a Smokestack, or a Tangle Wire. What then?

The mountains win again is another, more disruption-heavy version of Mono-Red that I think has a lot of potential. Starting off a list with 8 moons, 4 rods and 4 cages is going to give you a lot of free wins versus a lot of different decks, and the only power it runs optimally are mox and Lotus, so turning that into Mountain, Petal isn't so bad at all.

Does anybody want a ride to this from Cambridge? PM me and we can make it happen.

I would recommend The Mountains Win Again (mono-red moons/rods/hate-creatures)as an excellent option, particularly if your local metagame hews to Big Blue/Shops/Dredge. The most expensive card in the deck behind the (largely optional, since you are running Rods anyhow) Mox Ruby and Black Lotus is City of Traitors, and after that it's all sub-10 dollar cards. If there is a large amount of Oath or Fish, you might want to pick another deck, though both matchups are winnable.

I'm actually really interested to see what happens when Power hits MODO. I think it's essentially guaranteed to be the new future of Vintage, and with an increased rate of metagame turnover, we'll get a chance to see what, if anything, is truly wrong in Vintage.

Went 3-1 with this yesterday:

4   Bloodghast
4   Golgari Grave-Troll
2   Golgari Thug
3   Ichorid
4   Narcomoeba
4   Stinkweed Imp

4   Bazaar Of Baghdad
4   City Of Brass
1   Dakmor Salvage
4   Undiscovered Paradise

4   Bridge from Below
3   Cabal Therapy
1   Darkblast
2   Dread Return
4   Leyline of the Void
4   Mental Misstep
4   Serum Powder
4   Unmask
SB:
1   Ancient Grudge
3   Chain of Vapor
1   Darkblast
3   Ingot Chewer
4   Nature's Claim
3   Wispmare

I never boarded in Grudge, and I was underwhelmed by Dread Return. There aren't enough creatures in this format to really justify it--I think I would either need to go way more combo-y with Fatestitcher and Titan and junk, or cut them for a 4th therapy and maybe a land. I beat Long Oath, 4CC, and UW Helm-RIP (go figure) and lost to tropical storm by being an idiot. I generally ended up boarding out some combination of 2 DR, 2 Golgari Grave-Troll, 1 Narcomoeba, 4 Leylines, 4 Unmask (on draw) for essentially my entire board. Unmask was insane all day, as was Mental Misstep. Leyline was do-nothing, but I was glad to have it. I felt like I needed more lands postboard, and I might end up getting a extra gemstone mine or 2 in there.

This deck has two outs, both proactive, to Tinker-Robot. I think it's a major problem for you.

He traded goats for artifacts, artifacts for cards, cards for life. In the end, he traded life for goats.

As far as I can tell this guy is going to be an amazing tutor target. We'll see about more.

Ichor Wellspring was my best bet for a draw engine in Mountains. If you're willing to go deep on Welders, and maybe even greater Gargadon, you can set up a pretty good card advantage engine. It also dodges Rods. I would consider something like:


4 Lodestone Golem
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Blood Moon
4 Null Rod
4 Grafdiggers Cage
2 Greater Gargadon
4 Goblin Welder
2 Faithless looting
4 Mental Misstep
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Ichor Wellspring
1 Mox Ruby
1 Black Lotus
4 City of Traitors
4 Ancient tomb
10 Mountain

as an opener.

Looks like about a mile walk.


   
1.
Head west on Rue de l'Industrie toward Pl. de la Gare
go 55 m
total 55 m
   
2.
Make a U-turn at Pl. de la Gare
About 1 min
go 350 m
total 400 m
   
3.
Continue onto Rue Robert Schuman
go 130 m
total 500 m
   
4.
At the roundabout, take the 1st exit onto Av. Berthollet
go 210 m
total 700 m
   
5.
At the roundabout, take the 3rd exit onto Av. de Cran
Go through 1 roundabout
About 2 mins
go 600 m
total 1.3 km
   
6.
Continue onto Av. de la République
About 1 min
go 350 m
total 1.7 km
   
7.
Turn right onto Av. Germain Perréard
Destination will be on the right
go 120 m
total 1.8 km
   
1 Avenue Germain Perréard, 74960 Cran-Gevrier, France‎

No goblin welders seems like a bad idea.

I think that was Legend?

I feel really dumb for forgetting null rod shuts off karn X_X

I top 4'd my local tourney today. I beat B/W hate, Cobra Gush, and UBR Bob Control. I lost to BUG fish and MUD (needed one mountain!). Here was the list I played

//Unpower
4 Null Rod
4 Grafdigger's Cage
4 Blood Moon
4 Magus of the Moon
//Other Dudes
3 Gorilla Shaman
3 Grim Lavamancer
3 Viashino Heretic
2 Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
2 Genju of the Spires
//Spells
4 Dismember
4 Red Elemental Blast
//Mana
4 Simian Spirit Guide
1 Mox Ruby
1 Black Lotus
3 City of Traitors
4 Ancient Tomb
3 Arid Mesa
7 Mountain
//Sideboard
2 Greater Gargadon
1 Trinisphere
1 Genju of the Spires
2 Pyroblast
3 Relic of Progenitus
1 Pyrokinesis
3 Pulverize
2 Umezawa's Jitte

The sideboard is a mess, and I think I need all my dudes to be purely disruptive. I would probably cut the Genjus (sadly) for something that provides me with real card advantage, or another disruptor.

So did you guys see the new Commander card Chaos Warp? Do you think it might be good for us?

Devout Witness is pretty damn solid versus MUD. It kills all kinds of artifacts and you can feed it pretty easily.

You really want to get things cooking at the Vintage/Legacy events? Make it so the winner's qualified for the next Pro Tour. I'm not sure whether or not this would come with a plane ticket, but just the qualification would add a huge amount of cachet to the tournies.