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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [Planar Chaos] Roof of Evil
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on: January 15, 2007, 01:01:43 am
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The card is amazing for its cost. With Split Second it's nuts. If this card is true, I don't see how it can't be restricted in Vintage.
Whoa, let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Sorry, I definitely got caught up in the excitement and started saying things that I shouldn't say.  Still, it's a very powerful effect for so little a cost. |
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: UW FISH: Teh Primer!
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on: January 14, 2007, 08:15:42 pm
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Oh yeah, it's totally crazy. Assuming this card is correct and it doesn't get restricted, there's no reason not to play with a black splash anymore. It helps in every matchup. Even against Long combo, with all the 1 of's, grabbing Brainstorm or Force in PitchLong is pretty strong for just 1 black mana.\
It's completely ridonkulus!
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: UW FISH: Teh Primer!
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on: January 14, 2007, 11:58:44 am
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If you add Bob, are you going to cut the one drops or 2 drops? If you cut the one drops, the deck becomes too congested at that slot. I can't see cutting MM or Grunt, so it would seem that Kataki would get the axe? I'm not sure how I feel about cutting Kataki. He's pretty good against any artifact-heavy deck and combined with Rod is a house.
I'm not saying Bob/Duress are bad, the question is, where do we fit them in?
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: UW FISH: Teh Primer!
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on: January 14, 2007, 08:19:14 am
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Congrats to Feinstein for making top 8 with Fish! I'm looking forward to his post-tourney analysis and match report. On another note, since Brassman won with ETW Gifts and even Smmenen already said that Gifts should be built to abuse ETW, I have a feeling that there's going to be a lot more ETW Gifts. Feinstein already mentioned that in his meta people have already switched over. Echoing Truth FTW!!  |
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: UW FISH: Teh Primer!
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on: January 13, 2007, 02:34:56 pm
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Hope the one Plains you cut doesn't screw you over too much. I tested the deck with 18 lands and I was left looking for a second land more then I wanted to be in the first few turns.
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Serum Powder Ichorid and Vintage
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on: January 06, 2007, 01:08:20 am
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I think Ichorid is good for the format. Hopefully, it'll attract newer players and give them a deck to play that's not too difficult. The smarter new Ichorid players will also understand that their deck can be severely handicapped by hate cards and will either prepare for it or just accept that fact and hope they get lucky games 2 and 3. The newer players' ego's will be boosted after winning game 1, and then games 2 and 3 the more experienced player can win. Ichorid is doing what very few decks in Vintage have/can do: It's lowering the entrance curve of T1 by making it less intimidating and cheaper. |
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: UW FISH: Teh Primer!
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on: January 05, 2007, 05:54:24 pm
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The problem I have with splashing red even a minor one, is that it might cause havoc with the mana base. Is REB really that necessary against control?
I cut a Swords and a Lion for 2 Echoing Truth's and tested a bit. I wasn't overally impressed with the Truth's. They're nice sometimes for bouncing random permanents but the only real advantage I see them having is when an opponent gets a quick Tinker. Otherwise, in other matchups, they just end up being annoying and the threat is usually replayed the next turn. I found myself missing the 4th Swords a lot just because my meta has a fair amount of aggro. I'm only running 1 MD Echoing Truth and I have one in the SB as well.
We'll see how that goes.
The mana base isnt as weak as your really think it is, it just replaces a few basics with duals that do the same thing plus an additional color, that are open to Wastelands. The problem that I have seen, but very rarely at that is the lack of the proper color mana when you have a red spell at hand. I chose to make the splash very minor in my build to help avoid this issue, and recently it has been working for me a lot. I have been seeing much more Control decks lately and less Fish, and very little Stax. With the decrease of these decks, I can sneak my mana base a little to just one basic without it becoming much of a problem. And since Drain decks are on the rise along with othe Combo once again, I have been inclined to run REB's, this is what encouraged me to add this splash. In addition to REB's I have been trying out Gorrilla Shamans, which are in fact weaker than Null Rods, I just chose them because they work both as a one-drop for Ninja of the Deep as well as an artifact hoser, where as Null Rod does not. Also, Echoing Truth certainly is not the first choice of bounce that you want to be playing in Fish. This reaso is that Chalice of the Void, from my experience is more commonly casted with two counters on it, regardless of what build you are playing. Whether it is UW, UWb, URB, or even my most recent UWr, I have seen CotV-2 most often. This is the exact reason so many Fish decks have been running Chain of Vapor for their CC=1, and Rush River/Wipe Away which are standing at CC=3. //wtp. With the rise of Drain and Combo again, should we consider splashing black for Confidant and Duress. I've been debating this splash for a long time but decided to stick with the consistency of U/W. Perhaps it's time to splash black? |
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: UW FISH: Teh Primer!
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on: January 03, 2007, 11:18:33 pm
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The problem I have with splashing red even a minor one, is that it might cause havoc with the mana base. Is REB really that necessary against control?
I cut a Swords and a Lion for 2 Echoing Truth's and tested a bit. I wasn't overally impressed with the Truth's. They're nice sometimes for bouncing random permanents but the only real advantage I see them having is when an opponent gets a quick Tinker. Otherwise, in other matchups, they just end up being annoying and the threat is usually replayed the next turn. I found myself missing the 4th Swords a lot just because my meta has a fair amount of aggro. I'm only running 1 MD Echoing Truth and I have one in the SB as well.
We'll see how that goes.
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Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Temporal Extortion: Possible PC Bomb?
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on: December 29, 2006, 03:16:38 pm
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I think the more interesting aspect of what we've seen from this card and the spoiler thus far is the muddling of the color wheel, consistent with what we expect from the block. Not only do we have black stealing Time Walking from blue, but there is a green critter with haste, a red critter with comes into play bounce effects, and a red instant bounce effect. It will be interesting to see if any of this mixing of the color wheel produces anything useful or makes anything obsolete viable.
Perhaps this is where the name Planar Chaos came from? I think the muddling of the colors can be potentially very powerful. If colors are getting answers and threats that they usually don't have, I would imagine this would cut down on splashing a certain color for a particular answer. Depending on how PC comes out, decks will be able to cut a color because there is a suitable alternative. |
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: UW FISH: Teh Primer!
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on: December 25, 2006, 06:34:02 am
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Yeah, I think TheDeadMan is right. We shouldn't try to make Fish "cute" in a manner of speaking. I've been playing a lot with Feinstein's deck from Day 2 of the last SCG and it's a very very solid deck. I'll be posting the results of my matches hopefully later on today and some thoughts. As for Rootwater Thief, I think it's not necessary and would be bad for the deck. Not only is it a 2-drop (competes with Meddling Mage and Kataki) but in order to use it's effect, it's a heavy mana committment which I don't think Fish can make. We could always test Extract in the board but how many matchups would that really be useful in? Happy holidays everyone!  |
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