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1  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Deck] TPS on: September 11, 2004, 06:13:05 am
Quote from: Nehptis


In case you are challenging the expectation of not drawing the off colored mana, it has never been a problem.  Especially with 4 mines, moxes (ruby/pearl and diamond), petal, and lotus in the mix.


if it really work its a good thing i will try your config but maybe the choice of 2 or 4 cc are only depending on different strategy in different metagames.
2  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Deck] TPS on: September 10, 2004, 07:45:06 pm
for example luca simone aka Trix (the author of the primer on TPS taht  u can found on the restricted forum) plays just 1 tendrills.

he plays combo deck since the first version of trix an he built the first tentrix i've ever seen when also the german do it. (i'm not sure this is so easy to understand...)

a man like him can play just a tendrills, other people that maybe are new to combo deck (like me ) can feel better with 2 .

very often i win playing 2 tendrills.
3  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Deck] TPS on: September 10, 2004, 01:59:58 pm
Quote from: Nehptis
Quote from: Frankie
.... on a side note some are right now testing red in the deck by removing 1 basic and 1 Sea for a volcanic and a badlands just to play wheel of fortune and have better SB options.


I've been playing with Wheel of F instead of Spiral with much more success.  My mana base is simply 1 TA, 4 PD, 2 Swamp / 2 Islands and 4 Gemstone Mines (although unfetchable, they are needed since I play Balance in the board.  It just wins certain matchups).  If you want to go true u/b then 2 US and 1 Volc / 1 Badlands will work, as well.


well obviously the deck in a 4c mode run out easier in combo, but the choice of 2color is to have a secure mana base against any deck's mana denial strategy.


@WildWillieWonderboy
the 2 tendrills are not superflous if you don't have a good feeling with the deck, only when you know this deck very well u can cut 1.

the 2 rebuild is here just to have a > % to have it in your hand when you need it.  especially against stacks or stacker .
4  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Peer Through Depths on: September 10, 2004, 01:47:25 pm
Quote from: brianb
Take away the arcane part and I'd say this does not quite beat impulse.  Sometimes you actually want a land.  Or a B2B.  Or something else that you can't get with this.  The value of arcane will have to wait to be judged until we see the set (and possibly the block) in its entirety.



this is my opinion too  Smile
5  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / [Tournament Report] R/g Beatz takes 1st place in Findlay, OH on: September 10, 2004, 01:44:46 pm
good job!

your deck is very nice...i played this for a while last year and i think is a very good deck , the only problems are combo deck like draw 7 or tps

now in italy we plays something like this:

4 Taiga
4 Wooded Foothills
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Windswept Heath
2 Mountain
2 Forest
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
4 Grim Lavamancer
4 Kird Ape
2 Skyshroud Elite
4 Gorilla Shaman
4 River Boa
4 Wild Mongrel
3 Berserk
3 Skullclamp
2 Rancor
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Incinerate
2 Chain Lightning
3 Naturalize


SIDEBOARD
3 Tormod's Crypt
3 Red Elemental last
3 Pyrostatic Pillar
3 Artifact Mutation
1 Naturalize
2 Rack and ruin  

the heavy artifact hate is a metagame choice.
maybe u can test this deck choosing a different Side

another card i love (only in anti-artifact metagame ) is Hidden guerillas.

the skullclamp are not so hot imho, i prefer 4 rancor and 0 skullclamp
6  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / US and European Vintage, Will the gap ever close? on: September 09, 2004, 08:49:21 pm
i'm sorry for my english...i cannot tell more than this.

it's very difficult for me to understand what you guys wrote, and now  i think is the same for you.

@JACO  you says what i say in my bad english concerning
 reason about stax's strong in europe. but power> unpowered is not the only one.

the only thing i want to point out is that my post is not a defense for our metagame; that post wants to underline WHY the metagame is different, and for this reason i wrote some examples.
the fact that i don't like proxies as the USUAL WAY to play magic is only my idea.

I only write on this forum because the DCI only listen what is written on this Forum, concerning T1. So i hope that writing about Europe's metagame here will be a way  to make this metagame watched by DCI.

i'm not interest in "how fair is the have\have not  situation" because this is a choice made by Wotc in reprinting policy.

i'm  doing my best  in order to destoy language's  barrier
7  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / US and European Vintage, Will the gap ever close? on: September 09, 2004, 01:56:37 pm
i can't understand why we are speaking about stax in a thread about metagame.

@Zherbus
you say that a powered player has an automatic advantage against unpowered, ok thats right in your metagame, were there aren't any different deck rather then the deck you usually plays.

in a metagame when u KNOW there are people with p9 and you haven't it, you can choice to fill your deck with some cards against p9

chains of mefistofele? null rod ? pyropillar?

the missing of proxy made a different metagame just because the unpowered  player has a different strategy, it means different decks.

it means that a goblin can kill a powered keeper , but if no one plays goblin obv keeper is a more safe deck.

this is the difference between usa and UE.

i think is right the choice to do some tournamente proxy allowed, but not all.
because i don't want to see another type 2 format with the same 4 deck.

then about the shifting of meta:

if every people in your meta run proxy is obvoius that no one will ever face a deck that goes off your
usual decks and so some archetipes are in a better position than others,
for ex:  fish against zoo is not easy for the fish player ,  but zoo < stacker so stacker has an advantage .
now stacker is > unpowered ,    and if starts mw's ---> trini  he is next to win with 90% of the field. so stacker is dominant in italy.


@vegete2711

i don't think that plaiing on internet is the same things that playing the real cards,even if in internet i have all the cards i want.
 if u need a game when everyone has the same resource  play chess.
8  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Deck] TPS on: September 09, 2004, 09:03:02 am
chain of vapor is another way to do more spell  after you have taken mana from land u can sacrifice it in a copy of chain take a mox or something and paly it again.

otherwise this card is helpfull against Dargon, and it's ok if you have something bad like pillar to cut from the game.

or if u need to take back your necropotence....

last but not least  chain has a different Mana cost  for the COTV
9  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / New Fact or fiction/Intuition! Kamigawa hot off the press! on: September 09, 2004, 06:44:19 am
mmm different names....

so u can lose 2 good card i think it's not a very simply choose.
10  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Deck] TPS on: September 09, 2004, 06:35:23 am
if in your meta there aren't a lot of stacks this deck is very strong also with 2 maindeck solutions (chain e rebuild), but i think that if you need 3 card you can cut the hurkyll for another rebuild, that is never  a dead card.

I don't know how many wastelands there are in your metagame but this deck is very strong  because you can fetch for  basic land so 2 swamp and 2 island are the right choice.
11  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / US and European Vintage, Will the gap ever close? on: September 08, 2004, 07:13:31 pm
hello everyone i'm an italian player.

I think that  the true difference between usa and UE's metagame is the fact that in UE there aren't proxy tournaments.

infact in italy the unpowered decks are: Zoo Fish Dragon UG  Monored , this deck in usa simply dosen't exist because you can play some decks just takin a piece of toilet paper writin on "mox sapphire"  and you have a p9.

The italian metagame is dominate by Stacks and trinidecks, as u can see in a format that  when u  have to beat TPS ub (the best combo , no doubt) and unpowered decks a trinisphere is a very strong card.

i think the american metagame is a very strange metagame, belcher in eu cannot wins a tournament simply because every decks have a lot of  cards  like fow duress null rod trinisphere sphere of resistance cotv damping matrix pillar (sometimes), that can stop it, and a lot of deck (already zoo fish and so on) plays those cards.

also american metagame (as i can see on this site) is full of fish, a deck that as some problems in italy especially because who haves the P9 doesn't plays a deck so ugly like fish Very Happy but alsobecause this deck has  some problem with zoo and goblin deck and  kiodo deck (another italian deck) and with TNT.

i'm sorry for my english Confused
12  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Deck] Long.dec on: January 21, 2004, 04:56:06 pm
i think there is a different metagame.

in my meta atog plays 1\2 fire ice and scepter to imprint on.

keeper plays a lot of solution.

even i think that a FOW on your swarm make u in difficult time.
13  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Trinisphere on: January 21, 2004, 04:42:54 pm
i think that restrict led and burning wish, even if you know about this card, is a good choice. Infact otherwhise the "rolla a die" was the determinant of the game in a lot of match.

i think this trinisphere is a good trick for TNT decks, this deck can stop u and bring u down with a smashing Juggy Smile
14  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Deck] Long.dec on: January 21, 2004, 04:33:18 pm
i think that is better to have something to protect you like Duress instead of Elvish spirite Guide, even if they are a mana speed.

only 4 swarm (fire\ice rulez) are a too small defense.
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