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Eternal Formats / Vintage Deck Discussion / Re: Need lots of help: Back into vintage
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on: January 08, 2013, 10:59:29 am
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Well here goes nothing. I hope to get some friendly feedback thats not negativity. So here is what I am starting off with. I have not played a game of vintage since 1998.
This is all my own and I know it is flawed. I could really use some help and wanted to play something colorful and fun.
My deck and thoughts:
Artifacts: Instants Creature
1 black lotus 1 ancenstral recall 4 dwarven miner
5 mox 1 Brainstorm 4 magus of the moon
1 chrome Mox 4 Izzet Charm 1 Blazing Archon
4 ensnaring bridge 1 Mystical Tutor
1 sol ring 1 Vampiric Tutor
Enchantment Sorcery Land:
4 Oath of Druids 3 Preordain 4 city of brass
4 Thoughtseize 4 Forbidden Orchard
1 Time Walk 4 Gemstone Mine
1 Timetwister 1 Island
1 Wheel of Fortune 3 rishadan Port
1 Stripmine
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this has not seen a single game, again this is my first crack at this since 98.
my thoughts:
1) I feel like I'm between oath and prison(stax)
2) izzet charm is sometimes better than spell pierce however, the x2color casting cost is tough. But it helps get rid of creatures ie: bobs, spirits, relic warder
it also helps filter and could help dwindle cards in your hand for ensnaring bridge.
3)too many crappy utility creatures for oath, however, dwarven miner seems good somehow, and almost more consistent. It draws the FOW from opponents hand
4) ensnaring bridge???hmm, am I missing something with embargo? with portcullis? with rising waters? with equilibrium? with dampning engine? with nev's disk
5)rashidan port seems too situational, and based on my build, ghost quarter is almost a strip mine with options?
6) is black vise too slow and not effective I can't tell with out playing?
7) and what is good main board card for against reanimator/show &tell? are there better options than the abyss or drop of honey or tarriff?
8) does any one have a vintage build with land equilibrium??
9) does anyone have a build with eladamri's vineyard or magus of the vineyard??
10) Maybe moltensteel dragon should be magus of the moon?
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well those are all my born again thoughts S.O.S
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Eternal Formats / Vintage Deck Discussion / Need lots of help: Back into vintage
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on: January 08, 2013, 10:33:29 am
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Well here goes nothing. I hope to get some friendly feedback thats not negativity. So here is what i am starting off with. I have not played a game of vintage since 1998.
This is all my own and i know it is flawed. I could really use some help and wanted to play something colorful and fun.
My deck and thoughts:
Artifacts: Instants Creature
1 black lotus 1 ancenstral recall 4 dwarven miner
5 mox 1 Brainstorm 4 magus of the moon
1 chrome Mox 4 Izzet Charm 1 Blazing Archon
4 ensnaring bridge 1 Mystical Tutor
1 sol ring 1 Vampiric Tutor
Enchantment Sorcery Land:
4 Oath of Druids 3 Preordain 4 city of brass
4 Thoughtseize 4 Forbidden Orchard
1 Time Walk 4
1 Timetwister
1 Wheel of Fortune
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Looking for help on these unique card thoughts
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on: December 18, 2012, 09:38:38 pm
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Has anyone seen Oath of Druid into Blazing Archon????
I'm wondering what is hurting this type of clock?
Yes, that was used about 5 years ago when Archon came out, now it's never used as there are probably 10 better options. could you help update me. Griselbrand -> tendrils Tidespout Tyrant -> brainfreez or tendrils BSC with tinker and dragon breath Emakrul with show and tell and dragon breath Iona, Sheild of Emeria ->name blue or opponent's primary color and just lock them out Terestadon -> blow up their lands and then oath again, or blow up your own oath and have 18 damage on the board Laboratory Maniac -> oath a second time to an empty deck and draw nothing for the win Rune Scared Demon -> timewalk/yawgwill/regrowth/vault-key and just infinite turns after oathing There's probably more, but these are the big ones I can remember. wow...thank you. That was very nice of you. I knew some of those. The blazing archon was for against dredge. Terestadon is my first choice. Im wonder if emrakul hits if there is a creature with a triggered effect or static ability that would stll or get rid of emrakul. |
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Looking for help on these unique card thoughts
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on: December 18, 2012, 02:56:40 pm
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Speaking of unplayed Vintage possibilities:
Act of aggression: for 3 mana you snag any critter as an instant. Maybe grab a 3/X to block a golem? grab a snapcaster to chump the attacking bob and kill them both? Respond to tinker by grabbing a hasty BSC and win?
Delirium: Same kind of thing, but you don't need two critters to get a bonus. Tap tarmgoyf to deal big damage and then swing yourself with a clear path. Tap BSC to hit opponent for 11 poison counters (since the creature itself deals damage, I believe the damage is dealt in poison)?
With either of these, you can turn Griselbrand on itself...if they're at 14 life, delirium in response to their drawing 7. Or grab grisel in response to their draw 7 and draw your own 7/14 (maybe getting a plow in your 7/14). Probably not the best way to handle grisel, but it's a little something extra.
Those are pretty good thoughts. Act of agression is just awesome......I been thinking about that one and Zealous Consript(too bad the cost is 5) Anyone working with JUXTAPOSE OR MOLTEN STEEL DRAGON?? |
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Looking for help on these unique card thoughts
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on: December 18, 2012, 08:49:15 am
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Speaking of unplayed Vintage possibilities:
Act of aggression: for 3 mana you snag any critter as an instant. Maybe grab a 3/X to block a golem? grab a snapcaster to chump the attacking bob and kill them both? Respond to tinker by grabbing a hasty BSC and win?
Delirium: Same kind of thing, but you don't need two critters to get a bonus. Tap tarmgoyf to deal big damage and then swing yourself with a clear path. Tap BSC to hit opponent for 11 poison counters (since the creature itself deals damage, I believe the damage is dealt in poison)?
With either of these, you can turn Griselbrand on itself...if they're at 14 life, delirium in response to their drawing 7. Or grab grisel in response to their draw 7 and draw your own 7/14 (maybe getting a plow in your 7/14). Probably not the best way to handle grisel, but it's a little something extra.
Those are pretty good thoughts. Act of agression is just awesome......I been thinking about that one and Zealous Consript(too bad the cost is 5) |
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Looking for help on these unique card thoughts
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on: December 17, 2012, 11:42:43 pm
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Why would you ever play Thalia and Orchard in the same deck?
Not sure how Thalia interacts with Portcullis. She doesn't prevent creatures from being cast, also 2 Thalia still both die to legend rule.
Thalia has first strike to keep the spirit tokens at bay. The legend rule could create an opportunity for oath of druids to trigger in your favor. I don't see how being a Legend would cause a trigger to work out in your favor. Oath doesn't run Thalia. Any creature they oath up could still come into play unless you have 2 critters in play yourself. That is all hypothetical based on If the opponent has spirit tokens in play...... Starke is an interesting card |
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Looking for help on these unique card thoughts
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on: December 17, 2012, 07:48:56 pm
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Why would you ever play Thalia and Orchard in the same deck?
Not sure how Thalia interacts with Portcullis. She doesn't prevent creatures from being cast, also 2 Thalia still both die to legend rule.
Thalia has first strike to keep the spirit tokens at bay. The legend rule could create an opportunity for oath of druids to trigger in your favor. |
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Looking for help on these unique card thoughts
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on: December 17, 2012, 06:29:25 pm
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1) Embargo- Best thing I can think of with Embargo is to Donate it. Stasis+Win Condition. 2) Dwarven Ruins- Saccing to cast Jokulhops type effects. 3) Sarkhan Vol- Is taking Blightsteel and sending in hasty spirit guides a bad vintage thought? Yes4) Ensnaring bridge- Does anyone have a list that is working? Plenty of Shops lists have run it. 5) cartographer and stripmine/ghost Quarter???? I'm wondering if im out of my mind with this one, or there is some sort of potential?? Crucible is better in almost every way 6) Bazaar Trader is an odd card. I am wondering if anyone is testing with this card at all? NopeThe only thing there that's even close to competitive is the Ensnaring Bridge, which I'm not a big fan. It is good enough that people do play it though. You seem to have a fascination with bad cards  Donating Embargo would probably be enough to win in your playgroup, but Donate comboes are not good enough, even on with better things to donate. LOL you could call this list of cards potential vintage tournament cards im just trying to see if anyone has similar ideas, those cards aren't bad at all. I play to win and play for enjoyment. Combining the 2 concepts to make a masterpiece in the Vintage format is what i love. Izzet Charm is another card i'm looking into Emerald Charm is another i'm looking into. Ratchet Bomb is another |
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Looking for help on these unique card thoughts
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on: December 15, 2012, 07:18:45 pm
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I'm sorry I will re phrase that statement ....Thalia has first strike
and can block spirit tokens from the Forbidden Orchard(my own Forbidden Orchard or attack into them. )
and can basically try to "weather" multiple non-creature spells from being cast in a turn.
To follow up on the thought with Portcullis. Thalia is legendary and could prove to be tactical
in playing more than one Thalia to reduce the number of creatures in play. ...Maybe that could be good.
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Looking for help on these unique card thoughts
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on: December 14, 2012, 02:51:40 pm
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With a porticullis in play dredge is very slow, oath won't be able to get the creature, tinker would lots of times be too late. Aggro is a problem, so it should be looked at.
I see porticullis as a potentially great anti-creatures card in a creatures deck. Best in aggro mud probably. And great with manlands.
Forbidden Orchard seems like it fits right into the plan.....have you found any creatures with good triggered abilities to work around Portcullis? I am looking at cartographer as an option. This is a little off topic, I am also looking at Thalia, guardian of Thraben as a reasonable vintage creature |
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Looking for help on these unique card thoughts
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on: December 13, 2012, 08:34:01 pm
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To be honest, only ensnaring bridge feels powerful enough for vintage. And I played it with little success, few decks have good synergy with that.
Embargo could be played in a landstill, but as said your life goes down quickly. Stasis would be usually better.Dwarven Ruins: yeah, slow. Just valid if you need a big inversion of mana in a deck withouth low costs, as dragon stompy in legacy (and nobody plays it) or ANT if you plan to go off in T2.Sarkhan Vol if nice in aggro, but usually win more if you already have creatures, slow if you don't have any, and really nice facing a bsc.
Cartographer if the worst of all, better play crucible or loam.
But the I like the idea of consider unplayed cards with potential, just waiting the right deck to be played. Narcomoeba is a bad card by itself, just great in ichorid. Journey to nowhere is only playable in oath, but it performs a function. City of traitors is only played in MUD. Vial is only useful in some decks, as GSZ. Lots of cards have found a place in the right decks, and there would be dozens of cards capable of performing a very decent task in some decks, probably *undiscovered* decks.
I like cards like porticullis, esperzoa, Goblin Lore, ideas unbound, Reforge the Soul,liquimetal coating,master transmuter, squee, erayo... lots and lots of interesting cards, quite unique in their effect but just out of the radar, specially after some time without being played.
portcullis is very interesting Where are you going with that one? |
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Looking for help on these unique card thoughts
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on: December 10, 2012, 05:13:45 pm
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Does anyone make original decks and can't seem to get any where? I seem to have all these random cards as potentially good cards for Vintage, but can't seem to come up with anything solid. Or see a deck synergy. The cards I'm working with are as follows.
1) Embargo- what an interesting card that could lock up the board. Does anyone have any thoughts? This card seems great.
2) Dwarven Ruins- Is this card to slow? or is this just something about it that works other than the great artwork? Fork or reverberate maybe?
3) Sarkhan Vol- Is taking Blightsteel and sending in hasty spirit guides a bad vintage thought?
4) Ensnaring bridge- Does anyone have a list that is working?
5) cartographer and stripmine/ghost Quarter???? I'm wondering if im out of my mind with this one, or there is some sort of potential??
6) Bazaar Trader is an odd card. I am wondering if anyone is testing with this card at all?
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Vintage Community Discussion / Community Introductions / Re: Introduce Yourself
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on: December 10, 2012, 04:53:12 pm
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Hello everyone,
I have been playing Magic the Gathering since around Revised/Fallen Empire. During the 90's I played alot of Vintage and standard MTG in the Syracuse, NY area. Then took some time off from the game after my power cards got stolen and I ventured off to St. John Fisher College.
About a year and a half ago I opened up a local gaming store called Legacy Gaming Company in the Village of Camillus, NY . The store has a nice atmosphere and great Standard competition. Now that things are starting to settle and the new business kinks are out of the way I hope to offer Vintage events and play testing week to week.
I myself love the Vintage format and hope get advice on my own deck thoughts from TMD discussions.
talk to you soon!
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