If the wording on Revenge of Necromancy stays the same it would be pretty sweet with draw-7's like Wheel of Fortune and Windfall. But even if they make it cheap enough, that's probably win-more.

Mind's Desire

Super powerful, opens so many lines of play and gives you that feeling of opening presents on chrismas eve

World of Warcraft (can't really compare to other games)
Civilization 3 (best of the series imo)
Battlefield 2 (so deep)
Raven Shield (only multiplayer)
Shandalar (can't get it to work on XP though :/ )

and honorable mention to

Front Mission (SNES, best turnbased rpg evar)

From Paralyze's oracle wording : "Enchanted creature doesn’t untap during its controller’s untap step.
Enchanted creature has “At the beginning of your upkeep, you may pay 4. If you do, untap this creature" The same wording would be appropriate here, no?

What does this mean exactly? The matchup is 60-40 in your opponents favor to begin with, but somehow this is turned into you having "a very good chance at winning the match" because actual gameplay has more variance? Would the reverse be true for your opponent, that having a good matchup against another deck is actually a drawback because gameplay variance turns it around? I agree that Type1 games are more swingy and less rock-paper-scissors like than other constructed formats, but it seems like you're saying that speaking of good/bad matchups is irrelevant in Type1...

Actually, The Abyss won't touch any of the creatures Oath normally runs since both SotN and Akroma have protection from black...

Actually it does, it's just that it seems to have totally fallen off the map in America. Probably because people think it's inferior to mana drain combo. The Swedish Vintage Nationals this weekend had 5 TPS decks in the T8, with two of them gunning it out in the finals. IMO it's been Tier1 for the last two years, with results to back it up too. The problem is that European results usually get far less attention than those of SCG P9, Waterbury and the likes.

A) Play SDT for free
B) Active the "draw a card" ability. SDT goes on top of your library where it can be played again thanks to Future Sight

Repeat this procedure until you have drawn your deck. If you just want a huge storm count, draw cards until you get a second SDT. Play it, and then just act as if Future Sight wasn't in play. Play one, activate it. Activate the other, draw the first. Repeat. Show the loop to your opponent and name a number

I agree with Bram totally. The issue of bannings is one that has come up from time to time over the last years, and more frequently so as the format has progressed from casual towards competitive. Not surprisingly, Yawgmoth's Will is the card that's always brought up because of the distortion it causes even when restriced to one copy per deck. Remember that the DCI stance on bannings is not written in stone, cards like Channel and Mind Twist spent time on the banned list for power issues before and although the current catchphrase is "Vintage is the format that let's you play all of your cards" it's not unrealistic that Will could/should end up on it as well.

Regardless, flames on how one of the most influential people in the community "isn't liked by anyone" when he's contributed much more to the format than you have are more sad than funny (if that's how you intended them). Who gave you the authority to speak on behalf of the whole community and throw around opinions as if they were facts?

I agree, monoblue really really needs acceleration to ensure first turn leaks, as well as phids with counter backup. If your meta is low-powered and rogue you're bound to run into a lot of aggro, so I think both Oath and Landstill are better choices and doable on a budget. Chalice and kegs lose a lot of their oomph when your opponents aren't playing moxes anyway, you're better off with Oaths and/or StP's...

Mox Pearl better than Yawgmoth's Will? Strip Mine better than Desire/Bargain/Necro (which aren't even on your list)? You have got to be kidding...

Now I don't have premium so I'm not gonna put forth arguments that have already been brought up, but I want to say that I wholeheartedly agree with Steve on this issue. It's kind of a frustrating thing to argue though, because you often get the "vintage is broken, play type 2 if you don't like it" style answers. That and the notion that Legacy is supposed to be a "fixed" vintage when they are worlds apart. No format with SoLoMoxenCrypt plays anything like others do. And that fundamental part of vintage is what makes Will such an abomination; you have the mana to play virtually every good spell in your graveyard (and getting good spells in it fast isn't really a hard thing to do). Will wins games on the first turn (in storm decks) and on turn 20 (in keeper). It'd have to cost 2-3 times as much to prevent the fast kills from happening.

I also have a hard time seeing the slippery slope argument. It's not like there are a cadre of cards just a notch below Will. IMO it's more like: Will > nothing > nothing > nothing > Tinker > nothing > the rest of the tier1 restricted cards. Banning Will wouldn't mean that the brokenness suddenly dissappeared from Vintage, it would be a surgical move to remove a card that's the equivalent of a blank with "I win the game unless you have a counter" written on it. That's not fun, it's just retarded. And especially when it determines matches with hundreds of dollars on the line, in a sport that tries to reward skill...

Perhaps the white vow could be broken by playing non-creature spells? With the "loyalty" be envisioned as soilders heeding the call from their leader/king in times of need, and the vow being fullfilled when the conflict is over...

agreed. the WTF build I'm using at the moment has 3 Brainstorms in addition to 4 Mongrels, and getting stuck with Collossus in hand has never been an issue so far. mystical is also very nice to have in the deck, finding time walk often gives you the time you need to get those final points of damage in vs. a midtempo combo deck like Gifts or TPS, and getting ancestral puts you way ahead in a topdecking war. when it comes to standard fish the tinker plan becomes more of a liability imo, since you have less artifacts and ways of getting rid of the collossus if it ends up in your hand.

Well for starters you could try reading the card...

Personally I agree with most of Kowal's points. The 2-mana slot is really jammed and you want to apply preassure ASAP instead of losing tempo by drawing cards (esp. conditional draw that slows you down). The deck is very mana hungry, and between pumping rootwallas, activating factories and equiping jittes there's not much room to drop a standstill even after you've deployed your first line of offense.

And regarding colossus you have to remember that most of the times when you happen to draw him before tinker/mystical you'll have a mongrel in play that you can discard to and shuffle him back into your library. The benefits of having a huge finisher far outweighs the drawbacks imo.

I'd be interested in the reasoning behind removing Tangle Wire from the deck. Not enough impact, not enough room or do you feel that In The Eye Of Chaos does its job better? I'm a bit worried about the low number of artifacts in the deck, you used to always want a Workshop in your starting hand but now they seem more like a burden sometimes. Could we come to a point were Ancient Tombs would actually be a better substitute?

1) Sounds highly unlikely. Probably antisemitic propaganda like you said. Though there migh be a kernel of truth in it as Mossad have all the intel that the Americans have and more, and may have alerted associates in the area that an attack was imminent. None of us will ever know.

2) They may be sophisticated, but not THAT sophisticated. There are pilots for a reason.

3) If you want to start a war it's better to portray yourself as the vicitm rather than the aggressor. You let your adversary cast the first stone so you can throw a hundred back and still claim that you're acting in self-defense. Especially when you are carrying out a ruthless classwar at home, it helps to have a foreign enemy to rally against. It used to be the Communists, now it's the Arabs. Patriotism, nationalism, racism, call it what you will. It still serves the same interests.

4) World leaders are just symbols. The point is that America is carrying out the same imperialist agenda it's been doing for decades. Wether you incite coup d'etats overtly or covertly is beside the point. The IMF or the Army, you use different tools for different situations. Democracy is another symbol, it's just another way of saying "Our worldview, our culture". It's got nothing to do with how much control you and I have over our lives and the political desiscions that affect it. Chosing between two fractions of the same party once every forth year is a nothing more than a spectacle.

5) How is this something new? Colonialism isn't just something that happened a couple of hundred years back, it's an essential part of our economical system. How many of the things around you do you think were made by happy workers in clean factories with high salaries? What about the food you eat everyday?

6) Don't get caught up in debating numbers. The control of natural resources (esp. oil) has influenced american foreign policies heavliy for a more than a century, and volumes have been written about it too. Invading countries and maintaining low-scale conflicts all around the globe is astronomically expensive (just look at the american defense budget) so naturally you want your investements to pay off in one way or another. America sold arms and supported Saddam when it was profitable to do so, and put him out of office 20 years later when that paid off best.

7) Of course. This is just standard procedure when invading a country. The Americans did it when they invaded South Vietnam, the Russians did it in Afghanistan and so on. You want to create a marionette regime as fast as possible so you can say that you're helping the country in "maintaining stability" when you hunt down resistance fighters (labeled as terrorists), sell the country arms and train it's secret police. Then the conflict turns to low-scale and the public eye turns somewhere else. You do not end the war, you just give the gun to someone else and tell them where to aim.

8) That's just lame. If you're gonna build a Barad-Dûr or a Death Star, at least make it majestic. You Americans really need to contact your congressman about this...

Btw I loved the subtle satire in calling 9/11 "Seven-eleven". It's no coincidence that Monthy Python were English...

Yay, more centralization and moving desiscions away from the ones affected by them. Even if the emperor has a new set of clothes on, this is the same old neo-colonialist searching of new markets to exploit. Free movement of labor is just another way of lowering vages by making everyone too afraid of losing their jobs to hordes of cheap eastern european workers to demand better conditions and salaries. Pit worker against worker and ethnic/religious groups against eachother and you'll make sure that noone unites against the ones making the profits. Instead you have an atmosphere of fear and insecurity where people only care about their own necks. So yes, I'm all for unity and cooperation between europeans (and people all around the globe), but not trough structures that only serve to divide and conquer. The best way to help the Eastern European countries would be to reinforce labor unions and social welfare structures within those countries instead of dismantling them. Now you're just forcing them from the ashes of one totalitarian system into the fires of another.

But don't worry, it probably won't be long until we have Eurasia, Eastasia and Oceania gunning it out and we'll all forgot that things like "voting" even existed anyway... 

Here's the T8 (copied from the solomoxen.com forums):

1- Stéphane Tichadou (Dragon)
1- Alejandro Escribano (Bazaar Infestation)
3- José An Alascio Lopez (Drain Slaver)
4- Andra Garella (Drain Slaver)
5- Daniel Eufinger (?)
6- Paul I (Tog)
7- Tim Bergmann (Urphid)
8- Marco Ardoino (?)

Other notables in the t32 are Stefan Gussenhoven at 13th, Serge Metz at 17th, Swedish champion Konrad Oskarsson at 22nd place, Michael Wiese of CAB at 26th and TMD's Rudy Van Soest (rvs) at 27th. More info will be posted soon I guess.

Yeah the "Opponent chooses" part is a huge drawback. I have a feeling that this would hit counterspells a lot. Perhaps you could make it so that you picked two cards and your opponent got to choose which one to copy. Or that you'd be able to force another card by paying extra mana (á la Forgotten Lore). It would make it less simple and elegant but add to playability imo.

Do the conditons for the activation/trigger have to be met, or do you intend them to be "free"?
If they're free, the second card would be the new and improved Illusions/Donate when combined with Battle Of Wits or Darksteel Reactor. The first one would make a nice casual combo with Goblin Bomb as well

Let's also not forget that it's always been a staple in Dragon, where it truly shows it's versatility as combo-setup (getting dragons/kill card), draw (getting Bazaars/Squees/DA's) and tutor (getting animates or duress/fow to protect them). The graveyard has become more and more valuable as a resource over the last years and most decks that plan on abusing it choose Intuion since is passes "the Vintage test"; it's blue, an instant and has a CC of 3 or less. It's basically been on steady rise since the Odyssey block with it's Flashback cards, and to a lesser extent Incarnations and Threshold. One of the first decks to use Intuition as a backbone before that was acutally pandeburst, setting us big Replenishes much like it sets up Yawgmoth's Wills in Slaver nowadays. Right now the focal point of abuse is Goblin Welder since Mirrodin gave us a whole slew of splashy artifacts to play with, and I wouldn't be surprised if future blocks introduced new ways of abusing Ituition to the point that it has to be restricted. Right now I agree with Machinus that it's watchlist material, but not broken.

Intuition Slaver has been a Yawgmoth's Will deck ever since it's creation by John Zang and the other Gothenburg players in early '04. This can be seen in the T8 of it's breakout tournament, GothCon: http://www.morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=144 So to say that the addition of black to the deck was a "future change" is just wrong: Kim Klück created Control Slaver with Yawgmoth's Will as a centerpiece and John Zang built upon that when he made Intuition Slaver. People have experimented with U/r lists after that with various results, but they are not to bee seen as the norm. The world is larger than America you know

Which would be just as spiecist as the above is sexist...

Anyway the article was interesting enough not to make you stop and think "Hey I'm never gonna play this deck anyway so why bother". Just the right amount of humor and play-by-plays too. Congrats on a jorb well done.

This is false. Using the ACC on FoW requires payment of life, which is different from taking damage. It's the same with fetchlands. If you are at 0 life you don't have any life points to pay with. Plats + Necro/Bargain would be pretty b0rken otherwise

Actually it costs 2GG, making it just another bad Juzám remake...

So basically you could possibly get away with naming a spell and putting it on the table to get a tell on an opponent and then taking it back claiming that no costs were paid? That seems an awful lot like string betting to me...

The problem with deed is that you have to fetch both a Sea and a Tropical to play it, whereas EE is easily cast off moxen. That can be a big difference if you want to get rid of a fast welder and have drain mana up. Also do note that these builds are Urb, and hurting the manabase for such a questionable card as Deed when there's a colorless equivalent in EE is definately not worth it imo. Btw, the 3rd place deck is only 56 cards so that probably explains the missing brainstorms...

Surely there are better creatures to Oath up than a hasted 2/2? This isn't Hermit Druid remember...