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Eternal Formats / Blue-Based Control / Re: Oath - thanks to mtgo I'm getting into Vintage, but I need some help
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on: September 03, 2014, 02:55:26 pm
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Wow! Great, I didn't know he had top8ed, let alone top4ed. Vintage is hard, it's so easy to make those "distraction mistakes" that you realize right away or soon after. I have played Magic for many years and I don't make those mistakes often in constructed, even in limited they are not common for me. But in Vintage, with interactions that are so different from the magic of today it's so easy to miss them.
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Eternal Formats / Blue-Based Control / Re: Oath - thanks to mtgo I'm getting into Vintage, but I need some help
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on: September 03, 2014, 12:20:34 pm
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Thanks. What were you playing?
I watched my replays today and I noticed I could have done a few things differently, some I noticed right after doing them, others just on the replay. So I still have a lot to learn.
Yeah I'll keep playing because I'm enjoying a different kind of Magic. I got bored of Standard this past year and even the year before I didn't like it very much and I also don't like Modern so Vintage has been a very refreshing way of playing Magic. Even when I lose to the nut draw it doesn't feel as bad as in other formats.
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Eternal Formats / Blue-Based Control / Re: Oath - thanks to mtgo I'm getting into Vintage, but I need some help
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on: August 28, 2014, 09:22:05 am
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Thanks for all the replies.
TheKidsArentAlright, yeah I know that way is easier but I made that post in a hurry so I did not have time to make the list look better. Also I undersand your point on the low shuffle effects but Brainstorm is very important to put Griselbrand back in the deck. Right now I also don't have the means to test something as radical as adding a bunch of Preordains instead of those cards. I do agree that Jace sometimes is pretty bad when you have to make at least 1 token to play it.
I already got 1 Show and Tell and I replaced Tezzeret with it. I think I can get a 2nd one and I was thinking of adding it as well as another Griselbrand to the SB. I would take out a Rebuild and something else.
As for Gaea's Blessing, it might not be necessary but I have liked it and so close to the tournament, I don't want to take it out. At least it can cycle and in those stalled games that no player has anything, it can also shuffle back some good cards as potential draws. I have had a game that I almost decked myself because I milled most of the deck without milling Gaea's and right after that I drew Gaea's. I ended up winning the game with 0 cards in the deck thanks to putting 3 cards on the top.
EDIT: I'd like to know what match ups I'd need the extra Show and Tell and Griselbrand as well as the match ups I'd want to take out Show and Tell. As for Imperial Seal, when I built the deck I saw a few lists and none had it. I also played around with a Gush deck and a storm deck, both lists playing Imperial Seal and it usually felt not very good. I certainly was worse at playing those decks than Oath and I played way less but still I just didn't like Imperial Seal. Maybe it's just a card that is harder to play correctly.
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Eternal Formats / Blue-Based Control / Re: Oath - thanks to mtgo I'm getting into Vintage, but I need some help
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on: August 25, 2014, 06:30:39 am
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From those decks, some opted to play neither Gaea's or Journey (most of those are storm versions) and the only 2 who opted for Memory's Journey were somewhat different from my deck. One is very different with Rune-Scarred Demon. The Demon doesn't draw you 7 or 14 cards like Griselbrand, it simply tutors so in that version Journey looks better. The other one has 4 Griselbrand, 2 Show and Tell and a few other different cards.
From my experience, most of the time, I either want to hit Gaea's Blessing or don't really care if I hit it or not. So far, I had 1, maybe 2 situations that didn't want to hit Gaea's because I had Will in hand but the one I remember the best I won anyway.
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Eternal Formats / Blue-Based Control / Re: Oath - thanks to mtgo I'm getting into Vintage, but I need some help
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on: August 24, 2014, 05:03:54 pm
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Well Rebuild is very cheap and Hurkyl's is really expensive. But also, Rebuild is much better against Witchbane Orb, which MUD is playing.
Yeah Misdirection would be great but it's also very expensive.
I've seen all Oath's playing Library. This is a combo deck that can play a control game, that's why it plays Mana Drain.
Tezzeret has won me a game or 2 but yeah sometimes they have a Dark Confidant or even 1 token from Orchard and I have to give them the 2nd to play Tezzeret and it doesn't win me the game.
Gaea's Blessing shuffles the whole deck without playing mana and I've never seen a single Oath not playing it. With Griselbrand it's very important to have Gaea's Blessing. I've also yet to see a list without it.
I agree that a single Show and Tell will be pretty Toxic Deluge is also expensive and I haven't felt the need to have it. Not many heavy creature decks in MTGO.
A 2nd Decay will probably be good I agree.
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Eternal Formats / Blue-Based Control / Oath - thanks to mtgo I'm getting into Vintage, but I need some help
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on: August 24, 2014, 12:07:33 pm
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First list:
4 Forbidden Orchard 1 Island 1 Library of Alexandria 4 Misty Rainforest 2 Tropical Island 3 Underground Sea 1 Tolarian Academy 1 Black Lotus 5 Mox 1 Mana Crypt 1 Sensei's Divining Top 1 Sol Ring 1 Voltaic Key 3 Mental Misstep 1 Ancestral Recall 1 Brainstorm 1 Mystical Tutor 1 Ponder 1 Spell Pierce 1 Thoughtseize 1 Vampiric Tutor 1 Time Walk 3 Mana Drain 1 Demonic Tutor 1 Gaea's Blessing 4 Oath of Druids 1 Abrupt Decay 1 Time Vault 1 Rebuild 1 Yawgmoth's Will 3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor 4 Force of Will 1 Tezzeret the Seeker 2 Griselbrand
SB: 1 Flusterstorm 1 Swan Song 2 Rebuild 4 Leyline of the Void 1 Ravenous Trap 1 Thoughtseize 2 Nature's Claim 1 Abrupt Decay 1 Tormod's Crypt 1 Forest
So I decided to get into Vintage in mtgo because it's about 1/10 cheaper than irl and even if I did have a vintage deck, in my country it would be almost impossible to find a tournament. I tried Oath, Storm and Fastbond Gush and Oath felt better and easier to play (although there's more hate against Oath online right now).
I still have many doubts, specially sideboarding so I'd love some help in there. Also I do want to play Show and Tell but I'm waiting for the promo of this month because currently it's very expensive and me and some friend are getting at least one. So I'd like some help as well on what changes should I make in the deck (both with and without Show and Tell). I'm also lacking Misdirection but it's also very expensive right now.
I managed to 4-1 one of the vintage championship qualifiers with this so on 30th August I'll be taking Oath to try and win.
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