Well you maybe should re-read the initial post.
Pentavus obviously kills Morphling dead.......
...and opposed to Cursed Totem and Humility it even kills the opponent ontop!

I wonder why nobody mentioned Pentavus yet. It flat out OWNS Morefling.

I count 16. And no - I wont accept that 2nd place didnt have 4 !

Its 12 of them in the Top4.........

Chance to get berserk+fork >> Chance to get 2 Berserk

Edit: 15% >> 6% (with 7 of 60 cards)

2.8, _3.4, _3.1, _3.3, _4.0, _4.0, _3.1 - 28 Yawgmoth's Will
_7.8, _6.4, _4.7, _8.9, _4.2, _6.0, _9.8 - 88 Mishra's Workshop
10.4, _8.5, 10.2, _9.3, 13.8, 10.3, _8.0 - 72 Mana Drain
_5.2, _7.4, _6.3, _6.3, _8.5, _8.9, _6.1 - 55 Cunning Wish
_1.6, _5.6, _4.0, _4.7, _4.0, _4.6, _4.8 - 43 Dark Ritual
___, ____, ____, ___, ____, _0.4, _4.6 - 41 Crucible of Worlds
_1.6, _0.0, _3.0, _1.3, _1.8, _1.9, _0.4 - 4 Elvish Spirit Guide

So he did

Are you serious?

http://www.morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=178
http://www.morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=185
((http://www.morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=177 14 players))
http://www.morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=158

Smmenen its those kind of FALSE assertions which possibly keeps the larger crowd in your U.S. metagame off workshops.

Those tournaments were all sactioned. I think that even has some negative impact on the nr. of workshops played.

And its not only this but as Kenny reflected pretty well in his article its the sheer number of worshops appearing in ANY T8 lately. (GenCon Worlds anyone?)

Edit: From the top of my head - so dont flame too much plz *g*:
Off all those big tornament Smmmenen is mentioning which decks tended to be at the top of the crowd after the swiss?

Thats not true !
Charbelcher kills around 10% on turn 1.
With that 40%-50% you probably mean that belcher puts the Blecher on turn 1 (for a turn 2 win during upkeep).

But still this makes Oxidize and other 1 mana answers possible (e.g. mogg salvage).
Also it allows for Stifle -> null rod on turn 2.

And a turn one win will NEVER be prevented by mishras workshop if the player piloting them lost the die-roll.

And honestly: with this article in mind its not the question wheter MW (+3sphere) can stop an extremely fast combo deck (which of course is a good thing for the format).
But its more wheter MW (in stax) can stop EVERY deck availlable and because of this screws the format.

And I think Kenny is altogether right with his article. Edit: And I hope the american proxy-based tournaments will prove this soon........

A reusable lotus is simply too good (on ANY benchmark). And the "drawback" lost a lot with the mirrodin block!

I'd advice you to play enchantress or possibly some mask-based deck.

e.g. this:
http://grexin.shonic.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=d350fd05c45d802af8f0d2dbe5b89b82;act=ST;f=7;t=295

edit: Of course mana drains are only half the man without force.....

I still dont get the advantage of playing spells until the opponent runs out of counters, instead of playing xantid swarm MD and simply win the turn after.
Especially i dont get your "tempo" arguement.


my 2 cents

Not  really (though i lost my only 2 matches to aggro at the last tourney) but I think an early tog is more threatening than an early pent/angel which will meet artifact mutation anyway.
Altogether i think tog just has the better matchup.



I think its a good matchup. But I have 2 pern. deed MD (+1 SB) and i also have 3 BEB (SB) to match his REBs/lackeys game 2&3 which is for sure not a "standard" build.

I played Control-Slaver at the last tourney in Karlsruhe.

But i expected loooots of FCG. So I switched over to hulk this time. Since i think it has a better matchup vs. those pesky little red men.

At least I wouldnt say Slavery is too new of a deck *g*

nice report as ever :lol:

but i somehow missed you mentioning of the ueber-rares from your mirrodin booster prices  :shock:

As I said before, I cant agree to that. For me sol ring is simply amazing.
Thats why i was desperate to hear why JP left it out. (Not to mention that those "most other peoples"(including you) didnt give any reasons either...)




Saying so is ok. Giving reasons is better.




No question vs. aggro the sol ring is just brutal since the deck you can easily abuse its mana (even in addition to crypt + all moxes + lotus).
So I'll try to focus on the control mirror.



Missing land drops aint much of an issue for me. But of course i totally understand your reasoning with oposing control decks in mind (e.g. the mirror). There you maybe dont want to intuition/AK aggressively and thatwhy CAN come in the situatuion of missing a land drop (in the cruicial first turns). But sol ring would at least be as good as a swamp here.



True. But your chance to have any of those is only 40%. And to have Sol Ring its EVEN ONLY 12%. I dont think they concur too much on the opening hand.
Your chances to have a Mox are 47%. And this would allow for first turn Intuition (e.g. on Deep Anal) - thats at least a force of will from your opponent (if hes lucky to have one)!
On the other hand going intuition + drain backup on turn 3 is in many cases also force of will from your opponent (with him taping out in his turn).



Hmm i always want to have excess mana with this deck :lol:
But seriously spending 4 mana is not that hard and you even have 1 more Deep Anal first game (- I could do merchant -> AK).

Anyway its good that not everybody plays the same deck *g*.
For me Sol Ring is amazing. And i am still very happy that my own 2 weeks old build is only 3 MD cards different from JPs newest "better version". (Since i could swear JP is playtesting like mad......)

eastman posted this on another tog thread already.
so at least i am not alone on that topic....  :lol:

*nods*
JP your build is amazing.

Though I really wonder why you guys dont like Sol Ring. Sure Crypt is superior. And yes - off color moxen are perfect aswell.
But I think Steven M. is right with claiming that this is a combo deck.
Basically you want to go Intuition/Knowlgedge asap, since its your fastest way to the lethal tog.
And honestly land drops are rarely an issue since you still put back lands often via brainstorm. (At least thats what happens to me - flame me for that if you want....  )

On the other hand having less than 24 mana sources would be too much of a gamble imo.
Thatwhy i run a mana base like this:
-swamp +sol ring
-island +tropical island (mostly because of SB xantid swarms)

[The only card difference from there on is:
-deep anal (2 in SB) +merchant scroll
But thats another topic.....]



So JP why not all of them? (crypt + 7 solomoxen)