[Discussion] Fork; Unrestricted, Does it Diserve Notice?

[SpencerForHire]

With the unrestricting of Fork more and more mono-red decks are popping up.  Fork is obviously a powerhouse I really don't have to go into anything about that but let me summarize.  Fork is easily a counterspell for counters, a way to make power less useful (fork timewalk, fork ancestral for equalibrium in CA, etc..)
This card allows a variety of decks that maybe didn't do so well to have a second chance.  On it's own of course it does nothing, and it isn't necessarily a card only for responsive gameplay as you can fork your own cards such as fireblast or shrapnel blast or even () Price of Progress.  Sligh is probably still dead there is no doubt about that.  But in a HATE deck Fork could be quite strong.  Even more so is it useful in decks that already exist, I have heard stories of Fork existing in Fish.  I do not say this is good or bad I am just saying that with its unrestriction I am seeing 2 or 3 going into some decks.
The question is just how potent is this card as more then a one-of and does it deserve SB or even MB slots in decks that exist today.

[Toad]

Fork a Trinisphere?
Fork an Exalted Angel?
Fork a Tinker getting Darksteel Colossus?
Fork a Mindslaver?
Fork a Goblin Charbelcher?
Fork a Tendrils of Agony?
Fork a Chalice of the Void?

Sorry.

[VarienTanafres]

whoa, when was that unrestricted? hmm...guess not.

[LotusHead]

Forking Berserks!

This is probably the main reason Fork was restricted in the first place.

R/G beats is now in the game again.

Fork has many upon many applications, but not all decks can produce RR in addition to other stuff on demand.  But Forking Berserks is crazy.

[DEA]

why wouldn't someone just berserk AGAIN?

[LOLinger]

why wouldn't someone just berserk AGAIN?

Chance to get berserk+fork >> Chance to get 2 Berserk

Edit: 15% >> 6% (with 7 of 60 cards)

[SpencerForHire]

I understand that a great many spells CANNOT be forked and that is why you wouldn't run it as a four of.  But there isn't a reason that any deck that CAN produce double red can't run 1 or 2.  Its reads way of being able to fight back against counters and such.
I didn't say this was like the ultimate bomb right now, I'm just saying it requires some consideration.

[Necrologia]

Its reads way of being able to fight back against counters and such.

I'd say that's probably REB and Pyroblast more than fork. R >>> RR.

That said I still like the card in a deck with lots of burn as a 2 of. It'll rarely be dead, and allows for some excellent plays randomly. Which is exactly the reason it can never be much more than a 2 of, it's so random.

The best decks to run it in aren't decks running ancestral, walk, and Fof. If you want to fork them for the win you need to let your opponent play one first, something which is not under your control, and allowing them to resolve such a spell is bad in the first place.

If someone wants to try and make a Urphid style deck with some Forks main I'd love to see it, I just don't thinka deck can reliably support RR, and UU in the first few turns. Mana denial is just too common right now.

[monSt4r]

@Toad example
reb a Trinisphere?
reb an Exalted Angel?
reb a Tinker getting Darksteel Colossus?
reb a Mindslaver?
reb a Goblin Charbelcher?
reb a Tendrils of Agony?
reb a Chalice of the Void?

Does that makes reb bad ?

[Bauerkrieg]

Fork a Tendrils of Agony?

 Yes, and the person who forks it back wins the game. It still gets the storm count and everything.
      I still think that it needed to be unrestricted for a long time. Fork lost it's power a while ago. Fork is best used with your spells. Fork a Fireblast, good. :lol:

[Jacob Orlove]

Fork a Tendrils of Agony?

 Yes, and the person who forks it back wins the game. It still gets the storm count and everything.

Fork
RR
Instant
Put a copy of target instant or sorcery spell onto the stack, except that it copies Fork's color and you may choose new targets for the copy.

Putting copies on the stack won't trigger storm.

Moved to newbie.

[goober]

reb a Tinker getting Darksteel Colossus?

actually that works like gangbusters.

the person who forks it back wins the game.

assuming your opponent was at 2, read fork and storm.

[Binary]

@Toad example
reb a Trinisphere?
reb an Exalted Angel?
reb a Tinker getting Darksteel Colossus?
reb a Mindslaver?
reb a Goblin Charbelcher?
reb a Tendrils of Agony?
reb a Chalice of the Void?

Does that makes reb bad ?

Your attempt to prove a point has backfired, because REB'ing a Tinker is a play I think any smart player would do every time the opportunity arose.

REB isn't bad precisely because it can answer those cards Fork can't, and you proved it.

[rozetta]

Ages ago (probably around 1995), I played against a U/R control deck packing a Fork. I didn't get to see the actual deck list, but I remember every game I played, the guy would drain something of mine into Mana Flare and would then "go off" with a Wheel of Fortune, Timetwister or Forked broken spell (Ancestral Recall, Time Walk or Braingeyser). The deck also had a Candelabra (it was restricted back then) for untapping land with the Mana Flare in play. It won with a Fireball or Disintegrate (sometimes forked). Of course, back then, there was no FoW, Misdirection, etc. and the game was much slower, but it does bring me back...

Anyways, it just shows you can play fork with good cards, too.

[CoBra]

With the unrestricting of Fork more and more mono-red decks are popping up.  Fork is obviously a powerhouse I really don't have to go into anything about that but let me summarize.  Fork is easily a counterspell for counters, a way to make power less useful (fork timewalk, fork ancestral for equalibrium in CA, etc..)

I don't think this unrestriction will lead to a massive use of Fork.
Here in Italy we probably have some the most tuned and well built Sligh decks (Probably due to the fact we don't allow proxies), like the ones i posted here, which got T8 in a couple of tournaments.
Well, noone here will use Fork. Modern monoreds (At least, in my experience) don't play "bombs" like Pyroblast anymore, so you just would be able to copy a PoP at best; this could sound amusing, until you consider that:
_ Monored decks usually don't draw: if your hand's empty and you draw Fork instead of a Bolt or creature, you just lose a turn
_ Monored can't manipulate deck: in the case above, if you don't draw PoP, Fork is pretty useless. You draw Lightning Bolt and Fork it: 6 damage for 3 mana; better you had drawn a Bolt or Incinerate instead of Fork, at least you were able to use it as soon as possible.
_Monored usually doesn't have much spare mana: Today's manabases are pretty tight, due to fetches, Mishras and WaStrips, so it's unlikely you'll have double red to fork an opponent's spell.
These are, as usual, my two cents.
maybe what i told doesn't apply in your metagame, but i hope i said something useful

[CCClark]

It wasn't a "I win" card while it was restricted.   It's interesting to see the change but there's nothing really worth hitting with it.

People can say "well, it counters a counter".  You're playing red, use REB already.

Forking Berzerk?  Cute trick, but even the unrestriction of Berzerk hasn't produced any remarkable decks around it.  

I never saw any decks using the card while it was restricted and now that it's not I can't see a way of building a deck around it now.   Then again, weirder things have happened.

[Frappie]

This is the worst forking discussion ever! (had to do it sorry)

Alright there is only one deck I have ever seen that packs the fork. Sharahzad.
With fork unrestricted I can finally cast sharahzad and fork it, on a regular basis.
I will put something together for another tournament.

[Plognark]

Forking a fireblast is kinda nice, if you're into sligh. I can't say it'll have much more impact beyond that, however. Most sligh decks I know don't even run a single fork in the pre-unrestriction days

Which is pretty much why it was unrestricted.

[Trollstorm]

I think forking a price of progress would be better, considering.

[rvs]

I think forking a price of progress would be better, considering.

I'll repay you with a totally useless comment of my own: it depends.

[Jacob Orlove]

Closed.