If you follow modern closely, the color blue is a long standing joke save the late twin. The popular consensus is "there's no reason to play blue aside from snaps."


As far as vintage is concerned this card is insane. Mostly trivial to flip, good in multiples, has a relevant ability, costs 2, is blue.

we've had cards similar to this on the past, and they've shown them selves to be no good. mentor is just better

I really like this card. It's not as explosive as mentor, but im sure it has its place is SOME shell or meta. It's possibly better agaisnt oath, as mentioned. And I'm not convinced it is a bad top deck. I'm often playing mentor of the top, then playing 1 spell, then befor I attack storming to 5 next turn for big damage/assured legal next turn. Like I said it's not a explosive but 6 attack is good/fine for one mana. Also you don't have to expose this guy to bolt or jace bounce if you don't want to, like you sometimes do with mentor. Also, not that I plan to be paying 3 mana to add a lore counters to him, but when you rip this thing and then stone nothing, this dude seems better cornercase than mentor if you had a decent mana base in play. Card isn't format breaking, but I wouldn't write it off yet.

This has definitely already seen play for this exact purpose. If you can justy the space it's good agaisnt shop. But sb space is very tight between oath, shop, dredge, delver, burning long ect.

Yep, with a cobra out SFGM allows me to re-cast the same gush till i find a win or run out of life. Lot of pieces there but fastbond is a card you're running anyways, snake is fine on its own, and gush is gush. I REALLY wanted to kill you with that SFGM   I knew you'd appreciate it.

Bant Mentor

Dudes
3 Monastery Mentor
4 Lotus Cobra
1 Soulfire Grand Master

Mana
4 Misty Rainforest
4 other blue fetch
3 Tundra
3 Tropical Island
1 Island
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring
1 Black Lotus

Cards that get cards
4 Gush
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Regrowth
1 Treasure Cruise
1 Dig Through Time
1 Ponder
1 Brainstorm
1 Preordain
1 Ancestral Recall
2 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Tinker

Counters
4 Force of Will
2 Mana Drain
2 Mental Misstep

Cards that do other things
1 Fastbond
1 Time Walk
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Time Vault
1 Voltaic Key
1 Blightsteel Colossus
1 Swords to Plowshares

SB: 2 Nature's Claim
SB: 2 Steel Sabotage
SB: 3 Rest in Peace
SB: 2 Grafdigger's Cage
SB: 1 Hurkyl's Recall
SB: 1 Rebuild
SB: 1 Forest
SB: 3 Swords to Plowshares

The deck is likely fine. It got really lucky and it just handed me the nuts all day. For the event I cut the Rest in Peaces from the sb for some xanitd swarms, they never saw an attack phase. A lot of people expressed dislike for the SFGM, but it gold fished pretty well. Throughout the course of the day being able to buyback Gush and FoW that were both relevant. SFGM was decent against Danny in top 4. The lifelink was relevant every time he hit the field and if I was able to live one more turn I was going to be able to SFGM back Time Walk FTW once I found it off top instead of the nothings and BSC I was spinning. 4th Mentor is probably a better card, since top mentor is likely the future of vintage if you ask me, but SFGM seems like a fine one of. If you want the SFGM in the list, you need the snakes and the regrowth.


Low light in my house and the camera on my phone sucks. Sorry, this is as good as it gets. Not a whole lot of pimp going on here anyways.

I wish posts had a "like" button sometimes

If that happened I would resort to many things before FOF.

If I was looking to squeek out extra dmg utalizing storm I'd look into toa

when they refer to illigal targets the mean more like rack and ruin and mox and lodestone and watch one getting welded out, or lodestone gets vines of vastwood casted on it.

haze of rage: Something about 4-6 mana for +1/+0 at sorcery speed seems not vintage playable. definitely win more or not good enough.

I'd strongly suspect the answer is "does not ramp into true name"(deathrite competition) or "too many 5cc"

I don't think wizards has spent so much time developing recognizable characters and branding with the planeswalkers we all know to ditch them in what will probably be the biggest marketing opportunity to an untapped audience they'll get in a very long time. Possibly ever.

That's like saying, "hey, like what you saw? Got an attachment or like to a character? Well that's not what this product is really about/ rooted in! I hope you're still interested in developing new interest/ attachment."

Wizards has openly stated that part of making planeswalkers was to have something to be an iconic character, something relatable. They talked about how then staples of mtg, such as goyf, just don't do this. They even specificly made comments about how you just can't tell an interesting story staring tarmogoyf. Though I do hope iconic non-walker cards make tons of cameos.

Does it really? There are some good fakes out there. People have definitely played sanctioned vintage with fakes and had no idea (and some people even knowing full well), and the experience was probably identical for all parties involved to sanctioned events where this was not the case. We live in an age of technological reproduction, its the same old question of weather the aura/spirit (or whatever term they're using now) is an actual thing or an insignificant construct. Regardless, functionally you definitely can play sanctioned vintage with non-authentic cards. Its happened before, it'll happen again. You could make an argument for scale or rate of introduction being an issue though. I probably wouldn't disagree with either of those things, but in the right numbers it may even be beneficial for the format if the reserve list is indeed the worst thing to happen to vintage.

Start? Who's to say this hasn't happened already?

It also keeps you from losing the game at low live with bob out for  and one life, so it still can be fine there. This card is definitely the real deal. I've often wished damnation would some how cost one less or that perish hit any other additional color. With the BoM and champs results a wrath on color with demon and will seems like something that should be in a lot of 75's, and maybe even 60's.

Anyone have any info on what's been played/doing well in the grinders so far?

If you want to cut the fat from a gush oath list and stream line it, I think you are just looking at a gush list.

The meta contained one whole landstill deck, just sayin'. Also,the pilots there were boasting the lists contained a healthy chunk of counter magic, so idk what to tell you there either. The exact phrase I heard was "it shores up bad match ups without giving up to much to the good ones". Given the 2 or 3 pilots seemed to not win any games, but regularly do very well in large events, I'd say the lists weren't very good.

Unless deluge mixes things up for champs, I'd be be on a midranged xUG deck.

Also two bug lists in top 4. One with delver one without delver. Both seemed very strong. Delverless bug won game one by a land slide (pun intended). Landstill won a very swingy game two one the back of multiple pyroclasms and throwing jace after jace under the bus, about 15 cards left in each library. Landstill won another long, but less exciting, game three due to a bad keep by bug.

Things that did not do well: decks with burning wish.

I've played a bit of modern on mtgo, which was fun. So I have bits and pieces of vintage playables. That being said, I do not plan dumping the huge pile of cash in any time soon unless the price for fow goes down an insane amount.

I'm also not keen on the prices of pretty much every rare that sees legacy play when compared to the price of the cardboard.

However, it would be really nice to be able to find more consistent games an up my skill. My play has gotten pretty loose over the years of the decline of vintage.

really? I've definitely had oath active when I've been sphere'd out only to have my shop opponent cast multiple duplicant/metamorph in the following turns, killing all of my dudes. More than once. I even remember thinking, "man if only I could oath out some sort of super woodripper" when shops were at their height in my area.

I don't like that it blows up enchantments, but getting a bajillion for one in ca is appealing. And you'll likely have a grip of suddenly playable spells to help you find a new oath if something does end up happening to your super value super huge guy.

I'm pretty sure its playable. I don't think it will be omnipresent in oath boards though.

I've played a lot of tyrant oath and gush in my day. Its simply out classed by other options right now for raw power reasons. The same goes for witness x 10. For every Xmas land scenario with tyrant into 2/1 you can be pretty unhappy if the reverse happens. Most of the time your just going to get more options from RSD than witness anyways. If you insist on playing tyrant, RSD gets you walk completing your combo and then is replayed to find brain-freeze when complete. RSD has a direct line to winning whereas witness gets you random card from yard in some scenarios, and can get bolted in response to tyrant trigger. That doesn't seem bad to me.

Assuming you have a mox you can tutor up jet and then tutor up every card in your deck. That sounds much better than witness. it's better in many scenarios, if not all.

"not having personally known the deceased I'm in no position to give a proper euuuuuuuuuuuuulogy", is like the best line of all time!

I'm just going to let you know right now wastes and orchard is a nonbo with gush, you even have Tolarian, an easy gush cut as is, without gull moxen. you might try cutting the wastes and Tolarian entirely and trimming an orchard while looking heavily at swan song if you are really wanting to play gush. No idea if it'll work though.

Also, the printing of f storm makes witness packages not so hot. If you are going for the witness vault pieces plan, its just worse at finding them than the 7/7. The 2/1 is also worse at stabilizing.

Well, in the next month it looks like I will have at least one really funny mana drain. If for no other reason just to tell people about it.

I just want to go on record saying that oathing this into play is one of the worst things you could possibly do with oath of druids.

edit: barring doing obviously bad things on purpose like Phage obv

The biggest obsticle for this to over come and see play is lightnig bolt. Bolt is already pretty good as is without this dude flying around.

This thing is a dude with a big front number and evasion. That's not good enough to oath out anymore. I'd play tyrant long befor I play this in oath, and he's mostly unplayable righty now.

I wouldn't play this over Pyromancer in a gush deck.

Maybe I'd play this in a ur wasteland deck that needs a finisher. I'll test it at least

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