I ran sui black/blue, first vintage tourney ever, and took 12th out of 40. I realise it's not top 8 or anything, but considering I haven't played much at all in months, competetively in years, I feel that's amazing. Ichorid I beat with a mono-green rareless urzablock deck Ichorid is ridiculously easy to shut down, and keep down. Sui black is impossible to stop because it's a real tool box deck that you can pretty much mod to fit whatever meta you want.

PS. First turn negator wins against any aggro, no questions asked. My metagame was half GAT, the rest pretty much blends of aggro and some combo decks for flavour.

Add: Power and Nights whispers for sure. I would suggest maybe blood pet, or other creautres that you can pretty much cast for free (extra spells if nothing else). I really think a splash of blue might help you out a lot, for Walk and Recall if nothing else.

Also, maybe I missed something, but why is there only one Cabal Coffers? If any, why just one? Am I missing any sort of land tutor for it, or is it just the hope that you'll just draw into it every game?

I was actually considering it, but I wasn't sure of the utility beforehand. I think now that would definately be a reasonable switch.

Fun comboing card, but miserable for aggro, imo. I'd rather beat with a 2/2 for 1. Also I never have a "too little mana" problem more often than not there will be a "too much mana" problem.

I've been running Sui black now for years, probably since around judgement, as I recall, maybe before. I love the deck, and honestly Limited, it is not suicide black without negator, he defines the deck. Also turn 1 negator = autowin, even against aggro, it's just too much for most decks too soon, especially with all the disruption to back him up. The zombies are there as meat tenderizers, mostly, and to help be creature destrcution. Negator is my main killer though. But yes, I agree, if there is so much aggro, why play reaver, he blows

If I wanted to play a lame black/blue combo deck I woulda remade my deep Black/blue deck, and raped face. But honestly, I like to have fun, and playing some stupid boring combo deck is not fun. I would rather give my opponent a sporting chance, then rob them of all hope by killing all their lands, making them discard to nothing, and smashing their face. It's really just more my style of deck, I'm an awful blue player, but aggro I can play quite well.

Don't own any of either, and I thought about them, but didn't care enough. Jailer seems superlative with leyline? I don't see why anyone would run both, there was pretty much no time ever when Jailers ability would have helped me. Confidant..I must be the only person in the world who really hates this card. He has a solid ability, and a 2/1 for 2 is great. But he's doing about as much to me, as he is to them every turn. If I want more card draw, nights whisper will go in, 2 life for 2 cards, way better than confidant, imo. Confidant I think of as a smaller flesh reaver, which is originally why I was running reaver over him.

Just no, not 1 bit like my deck usually plays My plays would be more like:

Turn 1: fetchland for a dual, tap dual for ritual, sarcomancy/hymn or negator
Turn 2: Nantuko Shade/any disruption
Turn 3: It's already goodgame.

Yes, counterspells sucked, but most people were retarded and didn't use them on my deck properly. One guy countered my ritual, instead of waiting for the turn 1 gator, by letting me keep the gator, it was still over. Not 1 person swords my anything, though I did get a vindicate thrown at me once.

Let me reiterate something: I was running flesh reaver, I cut it because 90% of the time it killed me harder than them, or was left sitting useless because I couldn't afford to eat the 4. He sucks against any aggro to top that (the meta I was going against was like 1/2 GAT, some elves, some goblins, etc etc). Sarcomancy is fucking AMAZING with negator, you get 2 permanents to sac for 1 mana, and you get a 2/2 beater with virtually no drawbacks, also I can echoing truth it to get even more creatures (won me a game, a neat trick, but not a key thing). Carnophage has amazing synergy with sarcomancy since he is a zombie.

Lucifer is 100% correct in his comment abouit opponents killing themsevles a lot. A negator 4 turn clock is amazing, especialy starting turn 1. I was getting, on average, probably about 1 turn 1 negator a round, one round I got it 2/3 games. I can get it pretty consistently, but the phages/mancys really help back it up with sacs, damage, and an alt win. I had one guy exterpate my negator, and that would have owned me, if I didn't have a double sarcomancy to drop.

I would not play cabal therapy, I sac enough creatures to negator as is. I really like sinkhole over wasteland just because it can kill basic's (which did come in useful), also the fact that it lets me potentially down 2 lands in one turn. I really perfer hymn/duress to blackmail, though that is a pretty good idea and I might consider it. Lucifer, I don't know if you missed them or not, but I have 4 rituals in the deck, I'm not like the other newbs on this board (seen 2 other sui black builds, both without rituals). I really hate dark confidant, from my experience he tended to kill my opponents more than he helped them. Brainstorm worked pretty well as card draw, but now that I cut force to SB, nights whispers would be better, especially now that I'm not running reaver.


Limitied, on the note of "do I pump shade" Shade usually min. beats for about 4, it is a Reaver that doesn't kill me, and he eats up "late" game rituals/lotus's.

I just got back from my first real vintage tounry this weekend. I placed 12 out of about 40 people, which was better than I had hoped, but not good enough to win a Black Lotus

I wanted to post up my deck list somewhere to try and get help with it. I found that the deck, in play, had more dead draws than I was expecting. I threw in 4 maindeck force of wills, expecting a lot of flash decks and other combo decks, but I really didn't go against any, so usually force sat stale in hand. Though a hardcast force won me my last game. I'm thinking they'd be better sideboarded, with hymn maindeck over them.

The Decklist (As it is Post-Tournament)

//Mana Sources\\(22, including strip/waste)

1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
4 Underground Sea
1 Watery Grave
3 Polluted Delta
5 Swamp
4 Dark Ritual

//Cuddles\\(16)
4 Phyrexian Negator
4 Nantuko Shade
4 Carnophage
4 Sarcomancy

//Disruption\\(17)
1 Wasteland
1 Stripmine
2 Echoing Truth
2 Sinkhole
4 Duress
4 Hymn To Tourach
3 Leyline Of The Void

//Accel\\(7)
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Timewalk
1 Demonic Tutor
4 Brainstorm

//Side Board\\ (12+3)
4 Force of Will
1 Mystic Tutor
1 Echoing Truth
4 Smother
2 Umezawa's Jitte

+3 Open Spots, currently (probably will become Infests)


The major changes I made Post-tourny: The maindeck forces, got swapped with my sideboard hymns, I cut mystic tutor, Frantic Search, and 2 Fleshreavers from maindeck to put back in Carnophage. I took 2 more fleshreavers out of my sideboard.

Overall, what I realised is I was underestimating the deck. Even after all these years, newfangled counterspells and card drawing only mildly helped Sui black. Cutting some of that crap out to make room for more black disruption and face eating upped my win rate/kill speed.

I started out lossing both my first rounds, and around then was when I realised how worthless Force/Frantic had been so far, and I started siding in all my black pretty much every game. I won all my other 4 rounds after that realization.


So please, I want any and all feedback. I haven't played competetively since ravnica block (and I was playing T2 then). I haven't bought any of the new block, and really don't plan on it. I have very limited knowledge of the newest cards, and newest decks as a result. I know hulk smash, GAT, fish, etc etc, I saw most of them in play, but I'm still racking my brain for good ways to deal with them all.

It's not sui black with no negator

This looks like generic white/black (control).

I was just in a tounry running Suicide Black/Blue. I had been thinking long and hard about running green over blue though, and I think you've missed some of the best cards you could be running, tbh.

Berserk is the best card green has to make this deck insane. One green to double damage and give trample? If you were running negator, that would be half their life in one creature, though turmagyof could come close to that. I would really, really, suggest negator over hippie. I almost shit a brick when I saw 0 dark rituals, they'd up your speed so much and I highly suggest them. As said before, Smother is pretty much amazing, I had no regrets about running 4 sideboard, it was very handy against other aggro, GAT, even artifacts (for welder/metalworker).

Hope this helped.