It could be good in a deck filled with 4x. Thing is, big blue plays lots of 1x, and decks with 4x (like delver) play too few mana for this.

It's also bad with counterspells: you can play 2 fows, but at the same time, and against the same target losing 2 blue cards (plus fow). Good luck having  for 2 drains. And if you are playing 1 fluster, it's unlikely that you want 2.

Against mud you cannot play twice the costs. Against dredge also seems bad.

Seems decent with probe, preordain, bolt, swords (providing you are playing 4)...

I don't like it at all for vintage.

The "gentlemen's agreement" was likely a reaction to viewer sentiment, which was sick of Shops and looked on Rich Shay choosing two Shops decks the week before unfavorably, and the play-style preferences of LSV and Efro. David Ochoa flat out rejected such a "gentlemen's agreement" when Randy asked him about it, so it looks like you won't have to worry about it next week...

However, I have to call you out for hypocritically getting up on your own soap box here. The pros and viewers of the VSL have a right to their own opinions, as do you. Telling them to "get over it folks" because this is how I say Vintage should be comes across as arrogant and portrays the Vintage community as pretentious and exclusive. It certainly isn't doing much for your position.

I use when not playing with red the following:
4x Steel Sabotage
4x Hurky's Recall

After boarding in any storm deck (must say I have also 4 FOW) and that worked even with chalice unrestricted.

This should be even stronger at this moment due to cotv.

Teaser 1 made me want to boycott the movie. Design is very important to me. The cross guard light sabre was something I'm sure I drew when I was 9 years old...then when I was 11 said looked like crap. I'm not in a field of design or anything so I wasn't some child fantasy prodigy. This movie needs to do better than 9 year old me. The ice cream bar speeder looks atrocious. I hated the FIFA droid until I found out it was not CGI and uses existing technology.

Teaser 2 has me hooked. Maybe the movie does need to do more than mine nostalgia, but nostalgia it must have. Luke reprising his line from RotJ gave me chills. I'm also a sucker for a dystopian setting. All that shiny shit in new prequel made me nauseous. I love the charred Vader mask and the scuttled Star Destroyer. I need to see more wrecked things.

On the subject of design, Kylo Ren looks like crap. His mask looks like the face of the snitch from Mos Eisley--not flattering! He looks like he's wearing some sale rack goth/cyber punk clothes. Knight of the Old Republic 1&2 were doing it right. If they just straight up stole from KotOR, I would settle for that. 

So, sorry everyone for the hiatus in streaming but we will be back for the T4 which should be on 11/22.  Players will be taking a break the week of 10/25 for Eternal Extravaganza (http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=48008.0) and we will have a week long break after the cut to top 4 so people can organize their deck choices and test if need be.  So, with round 6 almost finished, here are the standings at the start of round 7:

(*Joe Milia and Noah Smith still need to play round 6 so this will be edited when they play)

 1-  Tom Dixon (5-1) / 5 points
 2-  *Joseph Milia (4-1) / 4 points
 3-  Matthew Gottshall (4-2) / 3 points
 4-  Brian Kelly (4-2) / 2 points
 5-  Mickey Mahr (3-3) / -1 points
 6-  Romeo Picquendar (3-3) / -1 points
 7-  *Noah Smith (2-3) / -3 points
 8-  Matt Murray (2-4) / -1 points
 9-  David Kaplan (1-5) / -4 points
10- Sean Ottaway (1-5) / -4 points

Here are the pairings for the next 4 weeks (with the 1 week break included)



Decklists will be posted in a few days after round 7 has been played.  Thank you everyone for being patient and understanding and we should be able to crown a champion by the end of the year!

I think it also has great use in bomberman that splashes black for bob tasigur and tutors. It can easily replace both bob and thirst. It can easily be three cards off the back of Trinket Mage getting that third color mox and obv will draw you three if you comboed off with salvagers and lotus. Even oath can use this. I really think this card will see a lot more play than ppl think.

sorry, forgot:

hammer mage...just survive the first couple turns with thalia, plow, etc.  There's also revoker/relic-warden on moxen.  Things like spirit and priest also mean their big mana hand can do less broken things.

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jamestosetti:

leylines have other functions than those you listed. they protect bridges from everything except tokens dying(pyro,mentor,batterskull), turn off crucible, and stops salvagers+spellbomb/crypt from locking us.
Sudden shock is for any deck you suspect of boarding priest or jailer. boarding it in to value kill pyros or whatever isn't worth it.
I never board powders out, doing everything we can to be able to find a bazaar(short of playing crop rotation) is important. Even if keepable non-bazaar 7s exist, which I distrust due to them seeming soft to stuff like relic, powder being there lets you powder away the sevens that aren't those.
leyline comes out a decent amount of the time. It is rarely completely dead, but not always worth keeping in. obviously keep them for the mirror, bomberman, storm, frobots. I find keeping some number in against shops to protect bridges and turn off crucible also pretty real.
I'm not sure how I feel about chain anymore. the card doesn't effectively answer priest, for one thing, and only having 3 answers to the 10th most sideboard card in vintage doesn't seem like enough. what threats have you been facing you couldn't deal with?
I keep in dread returns against shops, but definitely board out elesh. There's just a nonzero risk of metamorph + removal blowouts happening for dread returning that to be a better idea than just getting chewer every time and saving the slot. fkz itself is also a waste of a slot postboard there.

jimmycolorado:

I wouldn't bring in shocks just for pyro, but seeing as any mentor deck probably has priests in the board you will incidentally shock a mentor sometimes when you know they don't have the priest/you have a backup shock in hand.
You side out the entire dread return package against shops? I agree with siding out dedicated targets like FKZ or elesh due to them either not being guaranteed to do enough, potential metamorph blowouts, and being dead cards, but keeping in dread returns to bring back chewers has always felt very good for me.

stormanimagus:

In practice, they mostly kill priests, but they do kill other things. if they were only for priests, we would probably just play rending volley instead, as it's pretty much better unless they have misdirection and another target. Having the flexibility of also not being dead to jailer, killing the occasional mishra's factory or deathrite shaman, and going to the face are all decent upsides.

inkmothnexus and other Dredge players more experienced than myself can give you a better breakdown, but I would bring in Sudden Shock against Mentor/Pyromancer and anyone you suspect siding in Yixlid Jailer against you. I've been trying Murderous Cut and Contagion, and they've both been OK, but what I find myself needing more often than most is something like Swords to Plowshares that can get rid of a 3+ toughness threat while also RFGing the creature so my Bridges don't get sacked. (I've also discovered in playtesting that the deck is soft to a Tinkered/Foregemastered Colossus haha.) StP has a hole in its swing against Misstep, but hopefully the oppo sides those out when playing against Dredge.

I personally have never sided out Serum Powders. I rarely keep hands without Bazaar, as it's just way too important for the deck's strategy. Others may disagree. I side out the Leylines and the DR package against Shops, siding in the Chewers and Claims. Shops usually isn't going to turn 1 or turn 2 you, so we're all in it for the long con. Versus storm I tried siding out the Petrified Fields, which I think is right (they're not taxing us, and maybe, maybe have a Stripmine coming in from the side), but their hate is usually of the "exile the GY" kind, and I haven't mastered the "slow roll Dredge" to get around it. This is why I'm interested in Leyline of Sanctity.

I will say, sideboarding has been a constant issue whenever I've played Dredge and I'd like to talk about it more. Let's face it, it's a combo deck with a pretty narrow focus: it's tough to figure out what cards to swap for what without ruining the deck (this was my experience with the Fatestitcher/Mental Misstep/Unmask builds). Playing inkmothnexus's list was the first time SBing seemed obvious to me, like listening to a song 1000 times, only to finally figure out what the lyrics mean on the 1001st haha.

I think comparing it to Burning Wish for Yawgmoth's Will is the best comparison we can make.  Although when you take a Will turn how often are you strapped for mana? 3BR vs 3BB + gaining BBB is super tempting I think decklists are kinda full on tutors and we don't see much Burning Long as it is. Seeing it replace Imperial Seal or Grim Tutor maybe but not as a 4-of in any deck.