My matchups looked like this:

Round 1:  Burning Tog  1-2 loss
Round 2:  Bye
Round 3:  Goblins 2-0 win
Round 4:  Mono-R Burn 2-1 win
Round 5:  B/g control 2-0 win
Round 6:  Blue Skies  Draw
Top 8:     Solidarity 2-0 win
Top 4:     Blue Skies 1-2 loss

I really feel that I shouldn't have lost against Burning Tog or Blue Skies as I was mana screwed due to poor mulliganing.  I believe Tog to be a decent matchup could I have put the pressure on instead of wishing for a land.  Plus I feel that the deck I played could use one more mana to alleviate this a little, but overall it played quite well.

That was my prediction too (at least what I was hoping for).  Unfortunately in a field largely consisting of Tide and Gro, not one of my swiss matches were against either deck (go figure).  I didn't end up playing Gro or HighTide until the Top 8 match (Tide) and lost in the semi's to Skies.  I do think 5/3 is a good choice in the current Legacy environment as it has favorable matchups against the top 3 heavily played decks (Golbins, Gro, High Tide), while also having decent success against randomness.

I actually like TMD's forums.  Sometimes the view from a vintage players perspective let's me step out side of my "Legacy Shell" and see things from a different angle.  Unless it is a waste of board space/loss of interest, I wouldn't see any reason to close it.  I still visit TMD a lot because I do have an interest in Vintage and I do attend a lot of the big tournaments.  If anything I like the fact that the Legacy forum here sparks interest in the Legacy format in general.

Being from the Source, I am not threatened nor discouraged that a Legacy forum exists on TMD.  I do find it awkward that a simple poll turned into a bashing of websites, but I also didn't realize that there was still a lot of underlying tension between sites.  We are still trying to outlive the "Crybaby" brand we received from the Banned and Restricted announcement on Sept. 1st.

It's obvious that "The Source" is going to have more discussion and more defined forums, because it is dedicated as a whole site to the Legacy format.  We started on TMD about a year ago in the 1.5 forum here and then branched off and started mtgthesource.com.  I see no reason that we should be complaining that they would want to have a forum once again dedicated to the Legacy format, when it is technically where we started from.  (Thanks again Z)


The date the thread was started was Aug. 27th.  That was before Mana Drain was banned from the format.


I'm no Pox expert, so I would suggest reading the primer, because it is explained to an extent.

This is just in response to Ric_Flair's Apoclyptic Visions from the Edge of Hell:

I understand the reasons behind your thoughts about the 1.5 community.  If yesterday was the only day you took a look at the site, then you would have seen quite a mess.  The format was just at a point where people were starting to travel and host decent sized tournaments.  The community as a whole was working together on decks and strategy.  Post were well thought out and organized before this announcement.  I know most of you don't realize the shock factor that took place once the announcement came out.  Imagine how shocking it would be if they banned all of the Type 1 power and staples and un-banned all of the Ante cards to make type 1 a strictly casual format.  I for one didn't look at the announcement until I checked the website and someone made a comment on how a deck was "dead".  Then I realized it was Sept. 1st and thought "oh shit, they banned Workshop!"  I went to the DCI page and realized they just banned the whole format and created a new one, you can hopefully imagine my surprise.  

Anyways, I'm not getting defensive of the thread, because it's really damn funny, but I just don't want the image of 1.5 players to be complete shit.  There is plenty of good talent within the format and you honestly may start seeing a lot of them over on TMD.

Anyways, onto a couple good ones you may have missed:






















I don't even know what this means.



Man, now I completly understand the Seinfeld episode, with the Jewish dentist making Jewish jokes.  Honestly, it's ok I play 1.5...........

Later,
Rick

I appreciate the generosity and I think most of the other people would as well.


Most of the people that are hardcore 1.5 players, play in the format because they find it more challanging than type 1.  Without random broken starts, game swinging single cards (Will), or decks that win on turn 1, 1.5 is a more balanced format in terms of "brokeness".  1.5 is obviously limited to a smaller card pool and you don't have a lot of options in regards to Tutors or Draw, making deck construction a lot tougher.  I'm not going to get into a big debate about the differences between the formats as it is pretty much moot at this point.  I'm just trying to show that there were many players that appreciated the format the way it was.


This statement pretty much sums up why I was upset with the announcement.  Once all of the re-bannings have taken place (which is inevitable with unrestricted artifact accel), 1.5 will essentially be a budget format, and honestly who wants to play in a solely "budget" format.

The biggest problem with the new 1.5 list is that anyone who was playing 1.5 can't just recover from these changes.  You are not able to just modify your decklist to adjust to the new lists.  They completley and utterly destroyed just about every well known archetype that existed in the format.  None of these changes helped the 1.5 community, it is just an attempt to create a new community.  




Your assumptions are somewhat correct.  Let me clarify a little.

1) The URL is not a straightforward easy to remember website.  This isn't that big of a deal for anyone accustomed to forum browsing, but it does have it's obvious accessiblity issues and doesn't travel too well via word-of-mouth.

2) This is a little misunderstood.  There are approx 900 users on the 1.5 site and quite a bit of work has been going on in the past year that has completly revamped and developed the format that is now formerly known as 1.5.  There have been many articles written and quite a few reports.  They have been generally isolated to "The Source" because StarCityGames doesn't print a lot of submissions involving 1.5.  

3) About the metagame:  You are correct in saying that 1.5 is probably where type 1 was a few years back.  But on the other hand, look where type 1 is now.  You have a good community, a lot of recognized players, and many viable decks.  1.5 was already heading in that direction with a lot of heavily worked on and tested archetypes and a growing community.  Given another year or two and 1.5 would probably be a rich and thriving format.

I'm trying not to complain too much, I'm just trying to get the point of view across from a 1.5 player.  But the fact is that anyone with a vested interest in 1.5 has been slapped in the face by the DCI.  Most of the 1.5 community didn't want the lists to be separated.  My own personal reasons were mainly in fear of something like this happening (this is actually much worse than I could have thought) and just outright destroying the format.  Most people in the format owned either Drains, Bazaars, or Workshops to an extent.  These are cards that simply defined archetypes and, in most cases the decks involving them are now completly unplayable.


 I don't think you will see most 1.5 players sell their Bazaars/Shops/Drains. Most of them will probably come over to play type 1 and will cause another influx in the price of power cards.

1.5 was already balanced.  Now it is completly a combo format.

I would be fine with the separation if they didn't axe the 1.5 format as it exists.  I was really against the separation of the lists and this is exactly why.  They nuetered every single competative deck in 1.5 (sub Mono-R Burn).   Control lost drains, Dragon lost Bazaar, Workshop, etc.  The only real kicker is that 1.5 is the new die roll format because Belcher and Long are very easy to make with all of the acceleration they have unrestricted.

It is nice to know who you are talking to.  It's really interesting to meet someone at a tournament and realize they are ten years younger than you, albeit a good percentage of the votes seem to be from users ten years younger than myself.  I honestly think that is one of the good things about forums, in real life I would probably shrug off most suggestions from a 14-15 year old, but due to the anonymous nature of the internet, bias is removed for the most part and you actually take the time to listen.

I think this is a great idea to have a prominant figure from the vintage scene possibly attending an invitational.  Count me in and I will also spread the word across the 1.5 community as well, as Steve has done a lot for us in the past.

I always assumed the oppsite.  Even though there isn't a target for the Shock anymore, it is still originally tageting a land and I don't think that weather that spell resolves or not is an issue.  As long as Teferi's Response can be cast, than I would think it will still sucessfully counter the original spell regardless of weather that spell will be countered on resolution or not.

This is from a Star City Games "Ask the Judge"

Cumulative Upkeep is optional.  If you don't pay it, the card will be sacrificed.  But there are a vast variety of blue card draw and I don't see any reason to run an expensive enchantment over any of them.