Oh look disintegrate is back.   

Hey, if you wanna give out MS Paint artwork to last place,  I'm cool with that.   Rock on, King Bob.

Hi guys,

We had the new edition of the LCV last Saturday with an attendance of 43 players (same as last month) which keeps being really great.

After the tournament, here are the top16 deck lists, I will edit the post later today with pics and more text

1st (Top 2 split) - Adam Subirana - Dredge
Maindeck:
4 Bazaar of Baghdad
1 Dakmor Salvage
4 Mana Confluence
3 Petrified Field
4 Undiscovered Paradise
4 Bloodghast
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Flame-Kin Zealot
4 Golgari Grave-Troll
3 Golgari Thug
4 Ichorid
4 Narcomoeba
4 Stinkweed Imp
4 Bridge from Below
4 Cabal Therapy
2 Dread Return
4 Leyline of the Void
3 Serum Powder
2 Unmask
Sideboard:
4 Barbarian Ring
4 Ingot Chewer
3 Wispmare
2 Nature's Claim
2 Serenity

2nd (Top 2 split) - Jaume Bonet - Dark Petition Storm
Maindeck:
1 Badlands
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Library of Alexandria
4 Polluted Delta
1 Swamp
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Underground Sea
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Black Lotus
1 Brainstorm
2 Cabal Ritual
2 Cabal Therapy
1 Chain of Vapor
4 Dark Petition
4 Dark Ritual
1 Defense Grid
1 Demonic Tutor
4 Duress
4 Gitaxian Probe
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Lion's Eye Diamond
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Mind's Desire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Necropotence
1 Ponder
1 Sol Ring
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Time Walk
1 Timetwister
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Yawgmoth's Bargain
1 Yawgmoth's Will
Sideboard:
3 Ancient Tomb
1 Island
2 Defense Grid
1 Echoing Truth
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Massacre
2 Mindbreak Trap
1 Rebuild
1 Sadistic Sacrament
1 Slaughter Pact

Top 4 - Antonio Sánchez - Demon Oath "Grisel… what?"
Maindeck:
1 Flooded Strand
4 Forbidden Orchard
2 Island
2 Misty Rainforest
1 Polluted Delta
1 Scalding Tarn
2 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
3 Rune-Scarred Demon
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Black Lotus
1 Brainstorm
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Dig Through Time
2 Flusterstorm
4 Force of Will
1 Mana Crypt
2 Mana Drain
1 Memory's Journey
4 Mental Misstep
1 Misdirection
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Noxious Revival
4 Oath of Druids
3 Preordain
1 Sol Ring
1 Thoughtseize
1 Time Vault
1 Time Walk
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Voltaic Key
1 Yawgmoth's Will
Sideboard:
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Claws of Gix
1 Dismember
2 Hurkyl's Recall
2 Nature's Claim
2 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Oxidize
1 Thoughtseize
2 Tormod's Crypt

Top 4 - Carlos Fernández - Dark Bomberman "Es Tasigur? No, ha salido"
Maindeck:
3 Cavern of Souls
3 Flooded Strand
1 Island
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Plains
3 Polluted Delta
1 Tolarian Academy
2 Tundra
2 Underground Sea
2 Auriok Salvagers
2 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
3 Trinket Mage
1 Æther Spellbomb
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Black Lotus
1 Brainstorm
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Dig Through Time
1 Disenchant
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Flusterstorm
4 Force of Will
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Drain
3 Mental Misstep
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Repeal
2 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Sol Ring
2 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Time Vault
1 Time Walk
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Voltaic Key
Sideboard:
1 Aegis of the Gods
2 Containment Priest
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Grand Abolisher
2 Disenchant
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Pithing Needle
1 Serenity
1 Supreme Verdict
2 Swords to Plowshares

Top 8 - José María García - Dredge "Dredge Shop Boys"
Maindeck:
4 Bazaar of Baghdad
4 City of Brass
1 Dakmor Salvage
4 Petrified Field
4 Undiscovered Paradise
4 Bloodghast
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Flame-Kin Zealot
4 Golgari Grave-Troll
2 Golgari Thug
4 Ichorid
4 Narcomoeba
4 Stinkweed Imp
4 Bridge from Below
4 Cabal Therapy
1 Darkblast
2 Dread Return
4 Leyline of the Void
4 Serum Powder
Sideboard:
4 Barbarian Ring
4 Ingot Chewer
3 Wispmare
4 Nature's Claim

Top 8 - Ferran Relat - Gush Mentor
Maindeck:
2 Arid Mesa
1 Cavern of Souls
2 Island
1 Library of Alexandria
4 Scalding Tarn
1 Strip Mine
3 Tundra
2 Volcanic Island
3 Monastery Mentor
1 Snapcaster Mage
2 Dack Fayden
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Black Lotus
1 Brainstorm
1 Dig Through Time
1 Flusterstorm
4 Force of Will
2 Gitaxian Probe
3 Gush
1 Mana Crypt
4 Mental Misstep
1 Mindbreak Trap
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Ponder
3 Preordain
2 Pyroblast
1 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Swords to Plowshares
1 Time Walk
1 Treasure Cruise
1 Wear // Tear
Sideboard:
1 Mountain
2 Containment Priest
4 Ingot Chewer
1 Flusterstorm
1 Ghostly Prison
2 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Mindbreak Trap
1 Supreme Verdict
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Wear // Tear

Top 8 - Miquel Alcoriza - Thief Control
Maindeck:
1 Flooded Strand
2 Island
1 Library of Alexandria
2 Polluted Delta
4 Scalding Tarn
1 Tolarian Academy
3 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island
1 Blightsteel Colossus
2 Notion Thief
2 Dack Fayden
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Black Lotus
1 Brainstorm
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Dig Through Time
1 Echoing Truth
1 Flusterstorm
4 Force of Will
1 Mana Crypt
3 Mana Drain
4 Mental Misstep
1 Merchant Scroll
2 Mindbreak Trap
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Sol Ring
3 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Time Vault
1 Time Walk
1 Tinker
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Voltaic Key
1 Yawgmoth's Will
Sideboard:
1 Mountain
3 Ingot Chewer
3 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Pyroblast
2 Rakdos Charm
1 Red Elemental Blast
2 Toxic Deluge

Top 8 - Daniel Gómez Blanco - Null Rod MUD
Maindeck:
4 Ancient Tomb
2 Ghost Quarter
4 Mishra's Factory
4 Mishra's Workshop
1 Strip Mine
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Wasteland
4 Lodestone Golem
3 Phyrexian Metamorph
4 Phyrexian Revoker
3 Porcelain Legionnaire
1 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Black Lotus
1 Chalice of the Void
3 Coercive Portal
2 Crucible of Worlds
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
3 Null Rod
1 Sol Ring
4 Sphere of Resistance
4 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Trinisphere
Sideboard:
1 Duplicant
1 Batterskull
1 Crucible of Worlds
2 Dismember
4 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Pithing Needle
2 Ratchet Bomb
2 Tormod's Crypt
1 Witchbane Orb

9th - David Rocher - Bant Mentor
Maindeck:
1 Cavern of Souls
3 Flooded Strand
2 Island
1 Library of Alexandria
3 Misty Rainforest
3 Tropical Island
3 Tundra
2 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
4 Monastery Mentor
1 Snapcaster Mage
2 Vendilion Clique
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Black Lotus
1 Brainstorm
1 Dig Through Time
2 Flusterstorm
4 Force of Will
4 Gush
4 Mental Misstep
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Ponder
3 Preordain
2 Stony Silence
1 Swords to Plowshares
2 Sylvan Library
1 Time Walk
1 Treasure Cruise
Sideboard:
1 Strip Mine
2 Meddling Mage
2 Trygon Predator
2 Mindbreak Trap
3 Nature's Claim
2 Rest in Peace
1 Stony Silence
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Tormod's Crypt

10th - Oscar Basart - Dark Petition Storm
Maindeck:
1 Badlands
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Library of Alexandria
4 Polluted Delta
1 Swamp
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Underground Sea
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Black Lotus
1 Brainstorm
2 Cabal Ritual
2 Cabal Therapy
4 Dark Petition
4 Dark Ritual
1 Defense Grid
1 Demonic Tutor
4 Duress
4 Gitaxian Probe
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Lion's Eye Diamond
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Mind's Desire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Necropotence
1 Ponder
1 Rebuild
1 Sol Ring
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Time Walk
1 Timetwister
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Yawgmoth's Bargain
1 Yawgmoth's Will
Sideboard:
1 Badlands
1 Mountain
1 Volcanic Island
2 Defense Grid
1 Echoing Truth
1 Empty the Warrens
2 Mindbreak Trap
3 Pulverize
2 Ravenous Trap
1 Sadistic Sacrament

11th - Rubén González - Gush Tinker
Maindeck:
1 Flooded Strand
2 Island
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Polluted Delta
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island
1 Blightsteel Colossus
2 Notion Thief
2 Dack Fayden
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Black Lotus
1 Brainstorm
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Dig Through Time
4 Force of Will
4 Gush
1 Mana Crypt
2 Mana Drain
4 Mental Misstep
1 Merchant Scroll
2 Mindbreak Trap
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mystical Tutor
3 Preordain
2 Repeal
1 Sol Ring
1 Time Walk
1 Tinker
1 Treasure Cruise
1 Yawgmoth's Will
Sideboard:
1 Mountain
4 Ingot Chewer
1 Sulfur Elemental
1 Pyroblast
3 Rakdos Charm
2 Ravenous Trap
1 Red Elemental Blast
1 Toxic Deluge

12th - Rubén Xicota - MUD Affinity
Maindeck:
4 Ancient Tomb
1 City of Traitors
4 Mishra's Factory
4 Mishra's Workshop
1 Strip Mine
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Wasteland
4 Chief of the Foundry
4 Frogmite
4 Lodestone Golem
4 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Triskelion
1 Black Lotus
4 Ghostfire Blade
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
3 Pithing Needle
1 Sol Ring
4 Tangle Wire
4 Thorn of Amethyst
Sideboard:
2 Duplicant
1 Chalice of the Void
3 Genesis Chamber
4 Grafdigger's Cage
4 Leyline of the Void
1 Trinisphere

13th - Alex Delgado - Gush Tinker
Maindeck:
2 Island
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Misty Rainforest
2 Polluted Delta
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island
1 Blightsteel Colossus
2 Notion Thief
2 Dack Fayden
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Black Lotus
1 Brainstorm
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Dig Through Time
4 Force of Will
4 Gush
1 Mana Crypt
2 Mana Drain
4 Mental Misstep
1 Merchant Scroll
2 Mindbreak Trap
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mystical Tutor
3 Preordain
2 Repeal
1 Sol Ring
1 Time Walk
1 Tinker
1 Treasure Cruise
1 Yawgmoth's Will
Sideboard:
1 Mountain
4 Ingot Chewer
2 Sulfur Elemental
1 Pyroblast
3 Rakdos Charm
2 Ravenous Trap
1 Red Elemental Blast
1 Toxic Deluge

14th - Guillem Alomar - TezzCast
Maindeck:
1 Library of Alexandria
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Polluted Delta
4 Seat of the Synod
1 Tolarian Academy
2 Underground Sea
3 Volcanic Island
1 Blightsteel Colossus
3 Tezzeret the Seeker
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Black Lotus
1 Demonic Tutor
4 Force of Will
1 Mana Crypt
2 Mana Drain
1 Mana Vault
2 Mental Misstep
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
2 Mox Opal
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
2 Negate
1 Pyroblast
1 Red Elemental Blast
2 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Sol Ring
4 Thirst for Knowledge
4 Thoughtcast
1 Time Vault
1 Time Walk
1 Tinker
1 Transmute Artifact
2 Voltaic Key
1 Yawgmoth's Will
Sideboard:
4 Ingot Chewer
4 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Illness in the Ranks
1 Red Elemental Blast
2 Steel Sabotage
2 Toxic Deluge
1 Trinisphere

15th - Marcel Milià - Esper Mentor
Maindeck:
4 Flooded Strand
1 Island
4 Polluted Delta
1 Strip Mine
3 Tundra
3 Underground Sea
1 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
3 Monastery Mentor
3 Snapcaster Mage
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Black Lotus
1 Brainstorm
3 Cabal Therapy
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Dig Through Time
1 Disenchant
2 Flusterstorm
4 Force of Will
4 Gitaxian Probe
3 Gush
1 Mana Crypt
3 Mental Misstep
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Painful Truths
1 Ponder
2 Preordain
2 Swords to Plowshares
1 Time Walk
1 Treasure Cruise
Sideboard:
1 Plains
1 Meddling Mage
2 Arcane Laboratory
2 Disenchant
2 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Rest in Peace
3 Steel Sabotage
1 Stony Silence

16th - Aleix Dosta - Esper Mentor
Maindeck:
4 Flooded Strand
1 Island
4 Polluted Delta
1 Strip Mine
3 Tundra
3 Underground Sea
1 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
3 Monastery Mentor
3 Snapcaster Mage
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Black Lotus
1 Brainstorm
3 Cabal Therapy
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Dig Through Time
1 Disenchant
2 Flusterstorm
4 Force of Will
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Gush
1 Mana Crypt
3 Mental Misstep
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Ponder
2 Preordain
2 Swords to Plowshares
1 Time Walk
1 Treasure Cruise
Sideboard:
1 Devout Witness
2 Meddling Mage
1 Yixlid Jailer
1 Disenchant
2 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Pithing Needle
2 Rest in Peace
4 Steel Sabotage
1 Stony Silence

34th (1st budget) - Oliver Medina - White Trash
Maindeck:
2 Cavern of Souls
3 Ghost Quarter
1 Karakas
11 Plains
1 Strip Mine
4 Wasteland
2 Aven Mindcensor
2 Ethersworn Canonist
3 Grand Abolisher
2 Kataki, War's Wage
4 Leonin Arbiter
3 Leonin Relic-Warder
2 Phyrexian Revoker
3 Simian Spirit Guide
3 Spirit of the Labyrinth
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Lotus Petal
3 Path to Exile
3 Stony Silence
Sideboard:
2 Aegis of the Gods
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Leonin Relic-Warder
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Batterskull
1 Enlightened Tutor
3 Erase
3 Rest in Peace
1 Umezawa's Jitte

Please stay tuned for pics and info!

As always, the top8 was broadcasted live through my twitter account: @peachmtg

Hey Xouman,

Congrats on your finish! Know you've been on a long journey (if I remember rightly) of being a semi-powered aggro-control player, to a fully powered blue mage and hope this result made it worth the while! Also on a side note, great to see the LCV edging up in attendance again - be great if you can reach the 50 mark.

All the best and congrats!

Titus

Round three is now available at http://mtgvintageadventures.blogspot.com.au/2016/03/welcome-back-folks.html

(I'm not gonna quote everything you've said as you've done for me, 'cause I don't have a lot more to say.  I'm mindful of the problems with quoting out of context, but I'm trying to be fair, anyway.)


In my first post, I was talking about what the Swedish 93-94 group originally intended, which was my basis for calling one format a pale imitation of another.  I was talking specifically about 93-94, which is what the Swedish group calls the format, after all.  In your response, I thought you were telling me that that wasn't what the Swedish group intended.  You specifically mentioned 93-94 by name.  That's the only reason that I quoted that other site.  I wasn't trying to say that also applied to the US formats.  Rereading this thread, I can see that there has been some miscommunication.


When did I ever say that?  In a previous post, I even said that the different formats have different goals, didn't I?


But that's just silly.  Come now, of course I am entitled to conclude that one format is just a ""bastardization"" of another.  Surely you aren't saying that I'm not entitled to my own opinion, here, right? Also, whenever anybody says anything in the Internet, isn't it already pretty obvious that that it's just a subjective opinion?  You should mentally add "I think that..." to the start of every sentence you read (including this one).  I would think you already know this and so it's very awkward for me to even point it out.  So, what exactly is the point of calling attention to the subjectivity of what I've said?  When do you think I ever represented myself as objectively right?

I agree that I have an opinion that not many people in the US share and one that's probably pretty hard to identify with by readers of this site.  You're not telling me anything I didn't already know.  But TMD isn't a hive mind- I don't see why anything I'm saying here is so incindiary.

When I played it I don't added confidants, but tried to get some drawing nevertheless with drawings in your turns, or other advantages:

-fayden (targetting opponent)
-repeal in your eot
-fact or fiction
-top+key in your turn

I also considered arcane denial since playing it in my turn means I'm drawing 1 and you 0 (awesome!), but never had the guts since I cannot do that against half the field. At worst, it's still -1 CA even with spirit.

More interesting cards to try:

-Gwafa Hazid, Profiteer: disable opponent's creatures. However the creatures are enabled again if gwafa leaves play.
-Mikokoro, center of the sea: one sided draw.
-Gifts ungiven

The indestructible clause doesn't matter. The exile clause doesn't matter (see lack of Demonfire in Vintage). Doesn't pass the Lodestone test.

Burn from Within
XR
Sorcery
Burn from Within deals X damage to target creature or player. If a creature is dealt damage this way, it loses indestructible until end of turn. If that creature would die this turn, exile it instead.

Not sure if this is relevant on sorcery speed, but maybe it have potential?

It should be the last place trophy.