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« on: May 24, 2004, 01:27:51 pm »

*RRRRRRRRRRRRR*, R
Instant
Target creature gains haste and "This creature must attack this turn if able" or Target creature gets +4/+0.
Entwine: R
Flashback: R
Madness: R

Yes, I need a better name, so??


Once more with feeling:

Pirate Frenzy, R
Instant
Target creature gains haste and "This creature must attack this turn if able" or Target creature gets +3/+0.
Entwine: R
Madness: RR
Flashback: RRR
 

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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2004, 01:57:31 pm »

If the opponent can't block this is RR for 8 damage.  Turn 1 cadet. Turn 2 this twice and your opponent is at 10. That seems overpowered to me.
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2004, 02:59:37 pm »

like: Reckless Charge...


and it's not that red really doesn't give their opponents a change anymore...


and in T2 there probably aren't any red cards with a CC below 3 anyways Wink
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2004, 12:43:38 pm »

To charge and flash it back cost 2rr for 6 damage. 2rr for six is very distinct from rr for 8.
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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2004, 06:26:58 am »

*RRRRRRRRRRRRR*, R
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Target creature gains haste and "This creature must attack this turn if able" or Target creature gets +4/+0.
Entwine: R
Flashback: RR
Madness: RRR

Making RRRRRRRRRRRRR + Flashback cost RRR makes it a conditional Ball Lightning (you need a dork) and the Entwined cost of RR for Haste and +4/0 is reasonable when compared to Charge too. Madness takes a hit because Madness decks have been known to use Red and it is a bit dangerous having Madness and Flashback (see Deep Anal).

Besides it is good to add some Rs.

(To be honest the base cost should also be 1R but I like Red 'combat' cards so I think we can get away with undercosting it. I hate it at 1R but that is what it should cost)
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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2004, 09:50:39 am »

This card seems to go against the spirit of wise card design.

One, having so many mechanics makes the card unnecessarily complicated. I will be honest, my first impression is, "I bet this guy thinks he's cool because his instant has three keyword mechanics."

Two, having such synergistic mechanics present on the same card is asking for abuse. For example, with Wild Mongrel you could cast the Mongrel and then give it haste and +5/+1 for {R}{R} (the way you have it). Dandan's suggestion seems a little extreme, but certainly increasing both the flashback cost and the madness cost to {R}{R} would help to balance this card.
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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2004, 08:22:24 am »

First I thought of this as a better reckless charge (without all the mechanics), but I thought it was funny to add more Smile


I don't really think it's overly broken..

On the other hand +3/+0 sounds more realistic...
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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2004, 08:31:00 am »

I don't think I was being extreme. Giving a Wild Mongrel Haste and +5/+1 for RRR (Flashback and Entwine) or +9/+1 and Haste for RRRRRR(Madness with Entwine and Flashback without Entwine) don't seem unreasonable.

Remember you get a lot of choices with this card.

As it stands you get a Ball Lightning effect for RR that does 8 damage. Is that a good idea? The card is strong enough at R plus Entwine R and Flashback RR. Madness is just a bonus and shouldn't be nearly free. On a Wild Mongrel you get +9/+1 for RR with the original suggestion.
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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2004, 08:08:35 pm »

Dandan's suggestion is pretty good. Can we call this "Pirate Frenzy"? the pun is just to terrible to pass up.
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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2004, 09:51:21 pm »

I still think this may be a bit too strong. But if we actually called it pirate frenzy I'd ok this card in a second.
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« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2004, 02:41:52 am »

I actually mentioned that IMHO the card should cost
1R
R
RR
RRR

but it is pretty hard to break a creature pumper and Reckless Charge hasn't upset anyone yet, so I can turn a blind eye to this at R.

If I remember rightly Pirates in MtG are mostly Blue, Dwarves or Minotaurs could probably do with this more. In fact Orcs haven't seen much good stuff in a long long time although the casual hardcore would see this as

GOAT BUTT

Be the butt of everyone's jokes, hear your opponents protest 'But, but, but...', see them fear that vicious Goat. Visions of angry pirates paled in comparison.
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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2004, 11:08:57 am »

DanDan missed the pun. Phooey.
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« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2004, 04:09:50 am »

24 hours for the +3/+0??
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« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2004, 12:11:08 pm »

I thought the general consensus was that having all of the extra costs be just {R} wasn't going to fly. Did I misunderstand what Dandan, Walkingdude, and  Jacob Orlove were saying? I certainly think some of those costs need to be increased, at least by {R}, as was previously suggested.
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« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2004, 12:17:39 pm »

I really like what Dandan is suggesting.  In addition, Pirate Frenzy is sooooo much better for this card, because the joke is awesome.
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« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2004, 03:46:05 pm »

yeah, dandan's is fair but the original is not. Dandan’s suggestion named pirate frenzy is ideal.
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« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2004, 05:17:04 pm »

Who plays reckless charge anyways??

For this to work you need a creature, a creature that accidentaly might get blocked...


There's nothing broken about big creatures...
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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2004, 02:42:33 pm »

Quote from: walkingdude
yeah, dandan's is fair but the original is not. Dandan’s suggestion named pirate frenzy is ideal.

Actually, that was my suggested name.

Dandan's design is much better than the original, though. However, I'd rather see the flashback at RRR and the madness at RR.

As it is, you can just get too much out of this card, especially with a 1-mana flashback.
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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2004, 10:20:53 pm »

Okay, changes made to the current wording, and a bump.
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« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2004, 01:22:18 am »

I am either missing the joke or it is so unfunny that it was not registered under 'Humourous - Misc'.

I note, however, that everyone missed my 'turning a blind eye' reference which makes me as sick as a parrot.
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