B/W Aggro Control

[SadDubs]

Since I can't afford the many amazing duel lands i am forced to play only a 2 color hate deck. I figure b/w is the most powerful and balanced pair. It's for a meta with lots of ichorid and tezzeret, with sprinklings of landstill, countertop control, workshop, and fish. Any suggestions would be wonderful.

Land
4 waste *2
1 strip
1 bloodstained mire *
1 windswept heath*
2 scrub land*2
5 swamp
5 plains

Creature
4 dark confidant
4 aven mindcensor
4 icatian javelineer
3 jotun grunt
3 simian spirit guide
3 tidehollow sculler
2 kataki
2 isamaru
1 savannah lion

Other
4 null rod *4
4 duress
4 seal of cleansing
2 diabolic edict
1 demonic tutor


Bob - draw engine and beats

aven - shuts down fetches and tutors, flash blocking, and flying

icatian - i'll say for the unteenth time: kills bobs and welders. Is also good vs ichorid

grunt - the beater of the deck, splash hates yawg will and ichorid nicely.

simian spirit guide - It may seem strange but hear me out: accelerates everything in my deck other than sculler, not a bad replacement for moxen.

Sculler - hand disruption with legs

cat and dogs - removes a turn from your clock when beating down control and combo, brawls with other weenies vs non green fish, not really sure what else i would play to be
honestly, any other suggestions for this slot would be appreciated.

kataki - mana desruption and stax hate, great with a null rod in play

null rod - the bane of time vault's existence, mana denial, great when combined with wastes.

duress - the core disruption of the deck, allows for turn two bombs, and can occasionally murder combo when on the play.

seal - drop it early and time vault wont see the light of day, great vs stax, oath, and even post board vs aggro.

edict - answer to inkwell, creature removal, possible ichorid hate.

edit: forgot about the two katakis

tutor - its a tutor with little tempo loss.

[SadDubs]

bump

[xouman]

Simian looks weird, dark ritual is much better in this deck. 4 seals seems too much, maybe 2 seals and 2 instants would be better (specially against lots of time vaults). Aven and javalineer are good, but entire playset is too much. I would try negator over ishamaru & lions, you should already have a decent T1 drop. If you should face lots of ichorids, you can play some kind of grave hate beyond javalineers and jotun (yixlid/extirpate)

Also you may try glowrider + thorns + crucible in order to lock a bit (since you don't have counterspells)

Good luck!

[SadDubs]

Simian looks weird, dark ritual is much better in this deck. 4 seals seems too much, maybe 2 seals and 2 instants would be better (specially against lots of time vaults). Aven and javalineer are good, but entire playset is too much. I would try negator over ishamaru & lions, you should already have a decent T1 drop. If you should face lots of ichorids, you can play some kind of grave hate beyond javalineers and jotun (yixlid/extirpate)

Also you may try glowrider + thorns + crucible in order to lock a bit (since you don't have counterspells)

Good luck!

I tried dark rit, it seems worse to me. it requires a black mana to use which would not happen if I wanted to play a white creature turn one. its also useless in multiples. I definately need four of each mentioned creature. Aven needs to come down as soon as possbile so I always want to draw one. two are fine because its good beats and requires a second turn of darkblasting if two are out. Javs are important because they are my one drops so chalice at two isnt a sure shot kill. I need to bring them out vs bob which is tezz's mian draw engine nowadays, and welder is big trouble. He's also ichorid hate, and can block and kill a mishra's factory and other 2/2s. Negator coast too much, I already have the 3cc slot filled with aven, plus he's horrible vs aggro. I like 4 seals because every deck in type uses some form of artifacts and enchantments, excluding moxen. I have 3 needle and 3 yixlid in the board for ich. i like the glowrider throrn crucible plan, its kinda like stompy in legacy, but seems a little unfocused for my meta.




This is my side board, what are your opinions?
SB
3 pithing needle
3 yixlid jailer
2 diabolic edict
3 swords to plowshares
2 smother
2 disenchant

[SadDubs]

anyone have ideas for an answer to chalice at 2?

[DubDub]

anyone have ideas for an answer to chalice at 2?

Abolish
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[RecklessEmbermage]

anyone have ideas for an answer to chalice at 2?

If opposing null rods isn't a huge issue, you could try [c]aether vial[/c] and [c]pithing needle[/c]s main in stead of null rods.

[c]Dispeller's capsule[/c], [c]dust to dust[/c]

I'd play thoughtseize over dogs/lions. Lions are just too underwhelming, IMO.

Try [c]demonic consultation[/c] instead of/in addition to demonic tutor. All your targets, with strip mine being a notable exception, are atleast 2-ofs, neutering the drawback.

For playing in an ichorid-heavy meta, it seems like your 75 contains a bit few answers to it. On the flip side, you look a bit heavy on creature-removal.


EDIT: I'm new from the wizards forum. How do I link cards?

[SadDubs]

I Find the vial needle plan to be interesting as needle hits things rod doesnt, but then again it loses out on mana denial. With 3 sculler and 4 duressm, do you really think I should run thoughtseize aswell? I run so much creature hate because thats what this deck loses to.

[RecklessEmbermage]

I Find the vial needle plan to be interesting as needle hits things rod doesnt, but then again it loses out on mana denial. With 3 sculler and 4 duressm, do you really think I should run thoughtseize aswell? I run so much creature hate because thats what this deck loses to.

The two edicts make all kinds of sense, considering what you claimed your meta to look like, but you need some kind of explanation for running 4 javelineers, IMO.
...When searching, I found no other 1cc creature in your colors with better utility that can sac itself to clear away bridges in the yard. The only ones worthy of note were children of korlis (if you play against tendrils storm decks) and heap doll (if your meta is infested with graveyard strategies).

If you loose to creature decks, consider if thoughtseize would be better than duress. They are obviously too expensive for their own good right now. Waiting a few months before buying them has a lot of merit.

[SadDubs]

I Find the vial needle plan to be interesting as needle hits things rod doesnt, but then again it loses out on mana denial. With 3 sculler and 4 duressm, do you really think I should run thoughtseize aswell? I run so much creature hate because thats what this deck loses to.

The two edicts make all kinds of sense, considering what you claimed your meta to look like, but you need some kind of explanation for running 4 javelineers, IMO.
...When searching, I found no other 1cc creature in your colors with better utility that can sac itself to clear away bridges in the yard. The only ones worthy of note were children of korlis (if you play against tendrils storm decks) and heap doll (if your meta is infested with graveyard strategies).

If you loose to creature decks, consider if thoughtseize would be better than duress. They are obviously too expensive for their own good right now. Waiting a few months before buying them has a lot of merit.

I really like javlineers because in my meta bob is the main draw engine for tezzeret at the moment. Even storm runs them, though Storm isnt very common in my meta. It also has great aggro tech lik blocking and then javlining a 2/2 like mishras factory which sees alot of play in my meta in the form of landstill. heap doll is cool, but children i dont understand. If the tendrils you for 20 doesnt it kill you before children can use his ability?

[thecman]

Tendrils for 20 is actually 10x Tendrils for 2.  Just sac in response to the last copy and regain the 18 that you last before the last one resolves.